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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: fatslimback on August 23, 2012, 05:22 pm
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Has anyone seen or heard from him? Sent money last Friday by special delivery, which was signed for by someone on the 18th. Haven't heard a peep since and he's not been online for a couple of days. I have a really bad feeling about this. :(
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Hi mate, I sent cash to V on Saturday and haven't heard nothing back, I have used V before and he was a gent to deal with and supplied bitcoin, maybes hes having a spot of bother at the minute, im 100% sure he will come through!!!! He's got a pretty decent reputation on SR and the SRforums a dont think he would want to tarnish that!!!!
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Yeah man. That's why I went with him. Read the forums and stuff and he seemed like a pretty straight up dude. Hope he comes through. Its my 1st purchase on SR.
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That's odd Vlad1m1r is one of UK 's most reliable bitcoin vendors. according to his forum profile he last logged in on the 20th. And he last logged in to his Silk Road vendor account 2 days ago.
I hope he is OK and that you receive your bitcoins soon.
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Mate I have used Vlad, got my bitcoins and have already had my first lot if goods delivered to my door, he is obviously having a spot of bother at home, he has glowing reports off many people including myself, as I say I sent money off last Saturday and have heard nothing back either!!!! I trust Vlad 100% and there's not one thing bad wrore about his services on SR!!!!!
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Agree man. I'm not dissing him. He's a trusted vendor. Its just that it was UK to UK and was signed for on the 18th Aug. I'm just a wee bit worried. I'm sure it will be cool.
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I read a post a few days ago (may have been longer, short term memory fubar) that he was ill, it could be taking longer to recover than he expected.
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He told Mr himself he had been really ill, dont think theres nothing to worry about! !!!
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he was/is ill, he did post a thread letting people know but i know he was online earlier today commenting in that thread, so he must be back in the game, or getting there.
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Has anyone seen or heard from him? Sent money last Friday by special delivery, which was signed for by someone on the 18th. Haven't heard a peep since and he's not been online for a couple of days. I have a really bad feeling about this. :(
I'm in exactly the same position, it's my first SR transaction and I've been a little worried since the money was received but I have yet to hear anything. Also concerned about how much I will eventually receive in BTC since it's fluctuating quite significantly at the moment.
Kind of glad it's not just me who is a wee bit concerned, was worried it was my own paranoia!
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Also you have to keep in mind that the mail doesn't get delivered to him directly, if it get's signed it's probably not by him.
Anyways, hope he comes back/is alright.
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Seems I am not alone - my cash was delivered by Royal Mail on Aug 22, on Aug 23 I messaged Vlad and asked why the delay in getting the BTC to me. So far, no answer, no BTC and he doesn't appear to have logged onto SR since the beginning of the week.
My first time using his service - given his feedback and his participation in this forum, I was quite happy this guy isn't a scammer. I'm still hoping he's had some problems that have prevented him fulfilling his end of the deal, and that I'll get my BTC soon.
Fingers crossed, and I hope I'm not being unreasonably optimistic ......
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I was naively hoping to log in this morning to find everything sorted. I ordered on the 18th and the money was delivered by either the 20th or 21st (need to double check). I chose special delivery because in his FAQ it states that with SD he tries to get your BTC to you the same day.
Reading the forum at this point isn't really helping considering all the "good vendor gone bad" type threads. I really hope he turns up soon.
Someone earlier in the thread said that he posted that he was ill, but I can't seem to find that listed on his recent posts? It shows as inactive since the 20th for me.
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Nice to see I'm not the only one in this predicament. He seems like a trusted member of this community, I'm sure there is a logical explanation!
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He is probably gonna come back and say something like "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." That would be style.
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^^haha i can totally see that. I would be a little worried if this were me but i feel like vlad will be back with a good explanation and make things right for those that waited. if it was almost any other vendor i would chalk it up as a loss. this is just pure speculation based on nothing.
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Another anxious first time exchanger here also. :-\
Here's hoping he's a) not too ill and recovers soon and b) gets me my BTC's!
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Still no sign of Vlad1m1r, nor any BTC.
The longer this goes on, the more I'm inclined to believe we've been scammed. Surely if there was an innocent explanation he'd have been on here by now explaining his problems and telling us what he's doing to sort things out? Even if he's been ill, surely he'd be able to log onto a PC and at the least, let everyone know what's going on?
Sure he's built up a real presence on here and invested time in building a reputation, but I'm sure many vendors on SR would be happy to trade that goodwill for a few £k and disappear into the ether.
I hope I'm wrong, Vlad, and that we're about to see your reincarnation, in which case you should change your user name to "the_new_messiah"
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Dunno man. I just cant see this guy scamming people. Christ knows whats happened. If he doesn't show that's me lost £200 on my 1st and most probably last transaction on SR. What a bag of wank. :(
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c'mon guys, he's gone four days and you all think he's dead or pinched or something. Have a little faith. Vlad is cool, and certainly not a bag of wank. Probably just gone on holiday, cos it's August and the UK weather is shite. Maybe didn't want to announce holiday for fear of correlation (in which case everyone here has bollocksed that right up). The guy is Arnold Fucking Schwarzenegger, he'll be back
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Erm wasn't calling him a bag of wank, the situation is a bag of wank.
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Maybe he got busted for money laundering. You can't really expect to explicitly accept cash in the mail for the purpose of funding drug deals for very long. CIM is not a secure payment technique for vendors to accept.
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It's fucking shit, and Im sick as fuck, pissed off aint the word
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Fucking fuming there will be some fucking bad fucking things going down shortly, every single extra minute I wait now makes my fucking piss boil
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Still no sign of Vlad1m1r, nor any BTC.
The longer this goes on, the more I'm inclined to believe we've been scammed.
I doubt we have been scammed, vlad seemed very professional and has countless transactions before this situation that went well from the feedback reported. Being busted would be unlikely, he seemed to know how to do business safely and securely. Here's hoping for just super man flu or a holiday break.....he is human after all. (he is right guys?)
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Still no sign of Vlad1m1r, nor any BTC.
The longer this goes on, the more I'm inclined to believe we've been scammed.
I doubt we have been scammed, vlad seemed very professional and has countless transactions before this situation that went well from the feedback reported. Being busted would be unlikely, he seemed to know how to do business safely and securely. Here's hoping for just super man flu or a holiday break.....he is human after all. (he is right guys?)
It is simply not possible to safely and securely accept CIM for illegal dealings, let alone to do so on such a public forum. But I think he claimed someone else picked up the CIM, so it would be more likely they are busted than anyone.
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legally speaking Vlad1m1r doesn't do anything illegal here. He accepts cash for bitcoins. Nothing wrong with that.
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Busted for what? It is not illegal to buy btc. Vlad is providing a service just like any other btc vendor or provider. What someone chooses to do with their btc has nothing to do with Vlad. I fail to see how what he is doing is illegal.
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Hey fatslimback you are pretty fucking clued up for a newbie, I smell something fishy going on here, hope v is back soon
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Fishy you say. Not sure what you're getting at dude. ???
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Actually it is illegal to facilitate criminal transactions which is exactly what Vlad was doing and on top of that he is technically laundering proceeds and facilitating criminal acts. There is a whole list of laws he was breaking so the idea he was doing nothing wrong is naive at best. Just because "it's just money" doesn't mean it's not illegal. HSBC laundering money much?
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Erm I wasn't wanting to buy anything illegal.
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Hahahah, Lets just keep our fingers crossed for the return of Vlad!!!!
You never know what's gonna happen on the road!!!! Don't know about u lot but i need my BTC for sum classAs asap, gud job i purchased some high quality mdma from my local dealer to get skullfucked on tonight, limitless you say what vlad was doing in a past term!!!! Has he stopped doing this do you know?? Fatslim fuck off everyone comes to silkroad for illegal goods
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Fuck me I just want some more decent hard drugs like Iv already had from the road :D
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vlad probably got busted. There was a lot of compromising information about his money laundering operation in the "fake degrees" thread. I think the thread got deleted because it had too much compromising information in it. People were posting identities of victims involved is vlad's money laundering operation. vlad claimed that the identities were innocent people that he had chosen from a list at the bank he works at (or something like that). If LE was half competent, this is more than enough information to arrest vlad.
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Lets hope he ain't been busted!!!! I hate the fucking filthy pigs
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Would definitely be more worried losing such a great service than my money at this point, I'm sure he'll be back soon enough though
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starting to get a bit stressed. Not just my money sent off. Maybe I should have purchased btc and washed them myself. Don't know what to think atm, hoping for Vlad1m1r to come through for us once again.
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I'm from the UK dude. I was going to go with Intersango but they are fucked by all accounts so Vlad seemed like the best bet. I just don't think he'd scam people. Shit happens. Hopefully he'll be back on soon.
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I'm from the UK dude. I was going to go with Intersango but they are fucked by all accounts so Vlad seemed like the best bet. I just don't think he'd scam people. Shit happens. Hopefully he'll be back on soon.
Let's hope so. However if he doesn't come back, what's the best alternative to get BTC in the UK? With intersango fucked, theres mt gox but it sounds a bit dodgy to me.
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Mt.gox. should be OK if your only purchasing small amounts of drugs for your own consumption, ya still gotta wash all ya btc in coin mixers etc, 2much of a fuck on if ask me. That's why av used vlad hahaha
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Damn that really sucks if Vlad got busted. He was such a nice guy and helped me out a ton when I was first learning the ropes on this site...
Its not looking good though, if he was still sick I think he would at least still be able to post... :-\
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Busted for what? It is not illegal to buy btc. Vlad is providing a service just like any other btc vendor or provider. What someone chooses to do with their btc has nothing to do with Vlad. I fail to see how what he is doing is illegal.
It is not legal to facilitate financial transfer for the explicit purpose of helping people anonymously obtain scheduled narcotics, it probably falls under some money laundering statute (vlad and limetless argued against this, but I have a strong suspicion they know accounting better than they know law) but it certainly falls under conspiracy and being a member of a continuing criminal enterprise.
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Actually it is illegal to facilitate criminal transactions which is exactly what Vlad was doing and on top of that he is technically laundering proceeds and facilitating criminal acts. There is a whole list of laws he was breaking so the idea he was doing nothing wrong is naive at best. Just because "it's just money" doesn't mean it's not illegal. HSBC laundering money much?
Huh I thought some months ago you claimed it was not money laundering ?! It is beyond a doubt illegal though.
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is there anyone else who offers this kind of service ?
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Gotta admit I did raise my eyebrow at his cash in the mail service.
I doubt he was a registered with HMRC as a Money Service Business, it's pretty self evident that there is an extremely high probability he is/was facilitating the proceeds of crime. You'll notice in the UK that Money Service Businesses such as Western Union are not allowed to process anonymous transactions, some form of Identification is required. Anonymous exchange of Cash for BTC / vice versa? No KYC, no paper trail, no AML compliance, no nothing .. Yep .. obviously nothing to worry about there, completely kosher and legal.. HMRC / authorities will have no problem with this enterprise ::)
Lets say he hasn't been busted. At some point in time he will be. How can you possibly get away with picking up cash in the mail / sending cash anonymously and not expect to get busted on some count? Even if someone is picking it up on his behalf that person will be leaned on and give him up.
Fingers crossed he's ok because I admire his brazen balls at providing such a service :D
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Actually it is illegal to facilitate criminal transactions which is exactly what Vlad was doing and on top of that he is technically laundering proceeds and facilitating criminal acts. There is a whole list of laws he was breaking so the idea he was doing nothing wrong is naive at best. Just because "it's just money" doesn't mean it's not illegal. HSBC laundering money much?
Huh I thought some months ago you claimed it was not money laundering ?! It is beyond a doubt illegal though.
No, I said it wasn't PROPER ML. It's just converting BTC to cash and visa versa which isn't actually really laundering in the proper sense of the term because all you end up with is unaccountable proceeds which isn't properly laundered money however it still falls ML law and it's adjoined with facilitating criminal enterprise and handling the proceeds of crime.
Keep to what you know at which is I.T and god-knows-what and I'll keep to what I know.
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Getting more anxious as each day goes by and there's no activity from Vlad. If it is a case of him being unwell I'd like to think he'd at least give us a heads up so that we wouldn't worry. At this point I can't help but feel it's either a scam or bust, though :( £200 down on my first transaction unless he turns up.
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Actually it is illegal to facilitate criminal transactions which is exactly what Vlad was doing and on top of that he is technically laundering proceeds and facilitating criminal acts. There is a whole list of laws he was breaking so the idea he was doing nothing wrong is naive at best. Just because "it's just money" doesn't mean it's not illegal. HSBC laundering money much?
Huh I thought some months ago you claimed it was not money laundering ?! It is beyond a doubt illegal though.
No, I said it wasn't PROPER ML. It's just converting BTC to cash and visa versa which isn't actually really laundering in the proper sense of the term because all you end up with is unaccountable proceeds which isn't properly laundered money however it still falls ML law and it's adjoined with facilitating criminal enterprise and handling the proceeds of crime.
Keep to what you know at which is I.T and god-knows-what and I'll keep to what I know.
When you put it this way I actually agree with you, last time we got into a debate over nothing I guess. I would say it is not 'traditional' money laundering rather than proper though. There is certainly a distinction to be made between having dirty money turned into clean money that you pay tax on and can spend without raising eyebrows (traditional money laundering) and getting/sending financial value that can not be traced to you. But both will fall under money laundering laws, and the second is considered to be more modern money laundering versus the traditional methods, one article called it criminal payment transfer rather than ML though so maybe that is indeed a better word for it. That said I have absolutely no doubt that you know more about accounting and traditional money laundering than I do, but I would like to point out that modern forms of "money laundering" are actually high technical (bitcoin mixes, bitcoin itself, for two of many examples).
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Getting more anxious as each day goes by and there's no activity from Vlad. If it is a case of him being unwell I'd like to think he'd at least give us a heads up so that we wouldn't worry. At this point I can't help but feel it's either a scam or bust, though :( £200 down on my first transaction unless he turns up.
Honestly Vlad does not strike me as a scammer, although I am by no means omniscient regarding such matters. I would bet that either he or his mail pick up person have been detained by the authorities, or possibly he is very sick.
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bump
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i don't think vlad is a scammer, but it must be something serious if he hasn't come here in almost a week.
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i don't think vlad is a scammer, but it must be something serious if he hasn't come here in almost a week.
I agree, most people get out on bail within a week in the UK unless it's really serious, but then money launderers are generally considered flight risks and so are more likely to be remanded.
Really hope he's ok, he provided a good service that is more needed than ever now that Intersango's fucked up.
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Is there any other way of obtaining btc 100% anonymously in the UK? This really shows that we need more than just one person running this kind of service here
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I'm a bit pissed off actually...I sent some money the last day he was on here...I sent money by via registered post on the 22nd August...I wished I'd waited a couple of days now. >:(
I don't think Vlad is a scammer...although if it was a scam it was a brilliant one so hats off to him...gain peoples trusts, start with small amounts and slowly build up to larger and larger amounts. My one suspicion was that when I asked for a certain amount he'd always entice me to send him a little bit more. I never sent him more than £140.
But I used him a few times and had no complaints...I think it's more likely he got busted.
I don't buy the whole illness thing...you can always leave a message saying this is the case and that business is suspended until I get back on my feet again.
My gut feeling is that I've lost my money and Vlad has gone...looks like I'll look for other ways to purchase bitcoins. :(
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If its helps its a long weekend and bank holiday monday and doubt anything can be transferred on weekends without raising too much suspicion.
TWM
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I pray to god vlad returns asap, I was thinking it could be the bitcoin going right down in value last week that put him off the scene for a bit!!! Fuck knows!!! If I dont get my bitcoins al be fucking silk road off for good, cos if it is a scam am not willing to be scammed time and time again, losing 120quid is bad enough! I
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Vlad1m1r
Last Active: Today at 01:32 AM
Well he's accessed his forum account today. I dunno about any other buyers but I haven't heard a word from him and he doesn't have any new posts since a week ago. I have no idea why he hasn't contacted us when he's had forum access :(
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Dont wanna sound like I'm slating the guy because cash for bitcoins is a great service, but to have logged in and not communicated with customers on here isn't great service, especially after not being around for a week or so.
To be honest it ain't looking too good. Fair enough sending cash TO people for Bitcoins, your risks are mitigated as a vendor, but as soon as you start accepting cash for BTC you are deffo opening yourself up to trouble.
Wasn't he sending cash for BTC to begin with and then started doing cash FOR btc? I suspect he was running out of physical cash to fulfil payouts and so had to start accepting cash for BTC to cover his cash requirements. Unfortunately at that point you become identifiable since that cash has to be posted somewhere to someone.
Mental service to be offering tbh
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Vlad, honey, get back to us! :'(
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At this point it seems pretty likely that he is either a scammer or the police have gained access to his account.
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He just logged into his SR account:
vlad1m1r
has been a member for 5 months
was last seen: today
Update: it appears his listings have now been removed altogether, and his account disabled.
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Well, his account isn't 'disabled', if SR removed his vendor status, then you wouldn't be able to see the profile, you would go straight to a page where you can send the user a message. Somebody in control over the account has done this.
But this doesn't look good tbh...
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Whats surprising me at the minute is it only seems to be people who sent cash that are worried. What about the smaller vendors who have received cash from him? If he's been compromised the Vendors could be at risk.
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I think he's also deleted his forum account.
I'm struggling to understand vlad's motivations here. Regardless of whether he is scamming people (which is unlikely, for reasons others have pointed out) or LE have access to his accounts (unlikely as well, due to vlad's seemingly careful approach towards system security), why would he/LE bother to wipe his SR presence as far as possible? If he is a scammer, couldn't he have simply walked away from his accounts and never looked back? On the other hand, if LE is in control, wouldn't they want to keep vlad's vendor profile active so that they could intercept private messages and gather intelligence on his customers?
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A quick search of the net shows that Vlad was active on many bitcoin forums outside of SR, openly discussing his service (cash-->BTC) and refering people to his SR vendor page.
It was probably only a matter of time until he caught the attention of LE.
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Whats surprising me at the minute is it only seems to be people who sent cash that are worried. What about the smaller vendors who have received cash from him? If he's been compromised the Vendors could be at risk.
Don't get me wrong, but I think they are well aware. It just makes no sense for them to post in such a thread to make more connections between him and them.
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seems like it is confirmed then - we won't be getting our money back
Vlad1m1r is most likely a scammer who gained confidence from people in the short term with the aim of building a large enough in flow of cash to jump ship at the right time with a pocket full enough of cash to make the effort worth it
it may be that he got spooked real bad and is trying to remove all evidence that could be used against him - but that doesn't prevent him from making good on his promises of paying out bitcoins - i would say he is a scammer through and through
so.. who is going to post the delivery address? and will anyone be visiting little Vlady?
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Well it looks like vlad1m1re closed up shop and didn't pay his last customers their bitcoins. Closed his vendor account and deleted his forum account. I don't think it would be LE since closing the vendor account and deleting the forum account wouldn't help at all. I think he fell flat on his face with the decline of bitcoins and grabbed the last round of cash to even himself out. But that's my opinion and he is the only one that knows why.
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Vlad1m1r is most likely a scammer who gained confidence from people in the short term with the aim of building a large enough in flow of cash to jump ship at the right time with a pocket full enough of cash to make the effort worth it
IMO (for what it is worth), it is far more like to be LE interference than a scam. He seems to have been involved with bitcoins (above and beyond SR) for a while now, and it seems unlikely that he would destroy his identites reputation for a few thousands quid. Saying that, someone may have sent him an unusualy large sum in the post which tempted him to exit.
He also stated that the address provided was completly seperate from him, and infact had little to no real world contact.
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This situation makes me one sad panda......
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This situation makes me one sad panda......
I agree, it's a shame that there isn't a bitinstant for the uk and eu. Someone could rake in a good profit setting up something like that.
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I'm fucked off I've lost my money...but it wasn't that much...100 quid..meh.
I now believe Vlad was a confidence trickster who built up peoples trust and encouraged them to send more money and created the persona of someone who was doing it as a legitimate business and also for altruistic reasons...when he was just an out and out scammer.
Let's face it...we've all been had...the members who lost money anyway...oh well shit happens. :-[
Perhaps one day I'll visit his address in Jersey with a nice big baseball bat ;D...although I doubt that address was actually his anyway...he's probably long gone. 8)
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It would also be interesting how many people invested in his 30 days 6% thing.
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I sent him 60 coins to cash out and pay into a bank account. Luckily the account wasn't mine.
Anyone with his address please PM it me, I'm going to find out what's going on.
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It would also be interesting how many people invested in his 30 days 6% thing.
If he is a scammer this could well have been the means by which he maintained a hypothetical scam to begin with. Borrow coins, promise to pay interest, receive cash, payout borrowed coins, build trust..
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He also stated that the address provided was completly seperate from him, and infact had little to no real world contact.
Possibly.. What raised my eyebrow a while ago was this post http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21632.msg224650#msg224650
In particular this part of his post:
As kmfkewm says, for smaller amounts this isn't overly important as you can simply use cash for your living expenses and leave your legitimate salary in your bank account *** (I use this method to pay my rent for instance by depositing cash from various schemes I have on SR) *** and leaving my whiter than white income untouched.
*** emphasis added by me
This leads me to believe that he potentially had face to face contact with whoever was collecting cash from SR BTC for cash buyers.
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Pretty much lost all hope at this point. What an absolute cunt. So much for a good reputation.
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How did you find it?
If you've looked up the names that live at the address through the electoral register it might not be him, it could be an innocent person. The guy collecting money could have been a tenant of a House share living there under a completely false name.
I would be very careful. Obviously everyone wants to know the truth but everyone should be mindful of unintended consequences as well.
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sounds like there is a witch hunt brewing. I don't condone violence but I can certainly understand it. If you get his real name address and phone number. I would pm it to a couple of others that got scammed Don't post it here. Give him a call :D I beleive if he gets a call from a few people he will change his mind about keeping the money.
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Yep he left a pretty easy trail to follow.
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Curiouser and curiouser.
Well in that case I redact my previous statement about him probably being a stand-up guy.
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Hahaha good work!! Funny how quick that took what an idiot lucky it was u and not the cops.
What a dick eh
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He's basically a fucking thief. Do you get any lower than this guy?
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Vlad took the money and ran...but everyone that went out of escrow for bulk facilitated his ability to do it.
Live and learn.
Best Wishes for those robbed.
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Well hes also an idiot so people have his real address and facebook!
Better think of a good plan
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I narrowly avoided sending money to this guy.
I had a nagging doubt about him though and decided to go the mtgox/washing way.
Out him, fully, as a warning to others considering the same.. Or would such a doxxing be against forum rules?
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See because hes a scamming mother fucker id say out him but woukd check with a mod as u dont want it coming back on anyone. But you could link his fb page or did he delete that?
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So the general consensus is that he is/was the guy we sent the cash to?
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Has google got anything cached from the deleted accounts that needs grabbing and saving on the guy?
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Wow, this is something. Vlad was always advertising his services and seemed kind of full of it. I just got scammed hundreds by a reputable money changer too, BTCpal. I'm getting the feeling he's a selective scammer. I guess everyone gets scammed sooner or later on this site.
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Wow, this is something. Vlad was always advertising his services and seemed kind of full of it. I just got scammed hundreds by a reputable money changer too, BTCpal. I'm getting the feeling he's a selective scammer. I guess everyone gets scammed sooner or later on this site.
Stop buying Bitcoin via SR if you're not comfortable with the possibility that you might lose your money. And never go out of escrow. I honestly do not understand why this is so hard for people to understand. How so many manage to get scammed is beyond me...
As for vlad1m1r, I certainly didn't expect this, but releasing personal information goes against what this forum stands for. Add to that the fact that we don't need the "Man lynched by mob for scamming internet drug site users" and I think that those who have his info should keep it to themselves, and I'd love to say sort it out themselves, but again we DO have to be very careful about any possible innocents that may be caught up in this.
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Time for SR to allow the listing of hitman services 8)
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Well with a little searching it is very obvious who he is. He has even kindly provided his full (four) names and date of birth on a site stating a link to his youtube channel.
We will likely be seeing the BTC returned soon enough.
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Yep, fuck that, I ain't divulging his personal information. Way to heavy. I found it easily enough. If I can find it anyone can.
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Vlad took the money and ran...
Live and learn.
This. I lost some money too in this fiasco but shit happens. What goes around comes around.
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I wonder why he would pull a scam with all that information about his private life linked to his username.
Someone described him as follows, which is kind of transferable to his trustworthy appearance here in the forums: "On the surface, he comes across as the type of guy any girl could take home to introduce to her father."
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I've been keeping quite for some time in regards to this Vlad thing. Partly to not add fuel to the fire but also in the even that he has been taken in by FE. I think the fire is all out of control now.
My investment of 100 BTC matured on the 23rd. That's BTC, not USD. Vlad never payed or answered msgs.
I take this as a lesson. This should be stickied. In this world we live in, no one can be trusted. No matter what they've got under their belt or how many groupies they have following them. This should be sticked and refrenced by anyone that ever says. "Trusted Seller". Trust no one.
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I'm not going to release any of his personal information but I will say this. If you're going to rob people of their money after gaining their trust don't be surprised if those people start paying special attention to you.
What a dumb ass Once i started using tor I created a new screen name to use. So I have a clear net one and this one while I am on tor. I take precautions not to ever link the two. This fucking retard deserves a special visit from the people he stole from.
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I've been keeping quite for some time in regards to this Vlad thing. Partly to not add fuel to the fire but also in the even that he has been taken in by FE. I think the fire is all out of control now.
My investment of 100 BTC matured on the 23rd. That's BTC, not USD. Vlad never payed or answered msgs.
I take this as a lesson. This should be stickied. In this world we live in, no one can be trusted. No matter what they've got under their belt or how many groupies they have following them. This should be sticked and refrenced by anyone that ever says. "Trusted Seller". Trust no one.
Not being funny, but you srs?
You sent the guy 100btc for a possible return of 106btc?
Dude, that's greed or madness.
Sorry bro.
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To those who have his details,
I've found some details myself (including the name, DOB, email addresses, youtube channel, etc). What a complete and utter idiot for using the same username for everything. ::)
However, I would like to confirm whether the addresses we were given to post the money to was the same for everyone. I believe in one of his FAQ's he lead people to believe the addresses were random and involved a person who "he trusted but did not know his true identity". What I would like to try and confirm is whether the name and address people sent to was actually Vlad. If anyone is willing to PM me the name and address they sent their money to I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
To the person who said we should be seeing our money soon considering how much info we have on him - I do hope you're right. He's even fucking stupider than I thought if he thinks he'll get away with it after all the footprints he left.
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Vendors who received cash from him should hope that no one goes after him for retribution. If he gets beaten up or harmed in anyway, his family threatened or intimidated in the process, the Police will most definitely get involved. At this point questions will be asked and he will find himself in a whole web of shit other than with this community. Then he'll probably give up all the addresses he sent money to. To be honest any Vendor who took cash from him should consider themselves compromised, IMO.
Batten down the hatches!
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I've been keeping quite for some time in regards to this Vlad thing. Partly to not add fuel to the fire but also in the even that he has been taken in by FE. I think the fire is all out of control now.
My investment of 100 BTC matured on the 23rd. That's BTC, not USD. Vlad never payed or answered msgs.
I take this as a lesson. This should be stickied. In this world we live in, no one can be trusted. No matter what they've got under their belt or how many groupies they have following them. This should be sticked and refrenced by anyone that ever says. "Trusted Seller". Trust no one.
Not being funny, but you srs?
You sent the guy 100btc for a possible return of 106btc?
Dude, that's greed or madness.
Sorry bro.
Yes, I'm serious. No, it was not greed or madness. Everything is relative and 100 BTC isn't going to kill me, on here or in real life.
It was 100 BTC with a return of 7%. And I saw it as a risk I was willing to take. I lost. I accept that, but it shouldn't be waisted. Instead it should be used as a lesson to anyone who thinks that anyone else here is above reproach.
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He could easily solve this situation by paying back the money people have sent him, you reading this Vlad.
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Just read this thread all the way through. I don't think we'll ever know what happened unless he posts on the clearnet again or we see it in the news if he's busted. I'm leaning towards scam since he logged on and all his listings were taken down. LE might ask him about SR but I can't imagine them forcing him to log-in and take his listings and account down.
IMO (for what it is worth), it is far more like to be LE interference than a scam. He seems to have been involved with bitcoins (above and beyond SR) for a while now, and it seems unlikely that he would destroy his identites reputation for a few thousands quid. Saying that, someone may have sent him an unusualy large sum in the post which tempted him to exit.
This makes me think it might have been a scam. BTC has been unstable recently and we had no special offers or sales like tony76 before this all happened so a large transaction might have tempted him to take the money and run.
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I always thought he was a little too desperate to get people to use his service, he turned countless threads about BTC into advertising himself and his service.
He clearly planned this a while ago or even from the start, setting a minimum price of £60 for each transaction, then claimed he was ill for a while to gather more orders. The guy is scum and I hope he is found.
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When it comes to internet related jobs never trust someone when they say they're ill. If a Vendor says 'im sick' tell them to fuck off, cancel your order or don't order. People who run their own businesses dont pull sickies, because they CANT.
100% I bet Vendors plough on through genuine illnesses to fulfil their orders. Only cunts who work for other people go sick.
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I would start to threaten his job with this info. Scare the shit out of him. If you get busted compromising customers identities and information I doubt any bank will ever hire you again. Hope he likes flipping burgers at the local fast food restaurant.
vlad probably got busted. There was a lot of compromising information about his money laundering operation in the "fake degrees" thread. I think the thread got deleted because it had too much compromising information in it. People were posting identities of victims involved is vlad's money laundering operation. vlad claimed that the identities were innocent people that he had chosen from a list at the bank he works at (or something like that). If LE was half competent, this is more than enough information to arrest vlad.
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He came across as a very smart guy, I doubt he'd be stupid enough to have all his information plastered over the internet through his username. It's probably someone else.
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Vlad was always one of the first to post on the scamming threads telling them how much of a piece of trash they were. One thing I've noticed around here is when someone is consistently doing that they are usually up to no good themselves.
It's almost like they think they have to call out other scammers to justify what they're doing in their own mind. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves. Either way I was questioning his motives after realizing this a few weeks ago.
If there's one thing I know it's that history repeats itself and this is a good example of how scammer behavior patterns can be followed. Maybe I'm just smoking too much of this fine California weed and hash but it makes sense to me.
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Anybody thinking pirateat40?
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Questions need to be asked about Limetless and his connnection/association to v1ad.
It's pretty clear from their conversations that they knew each other relatively well and was implied that they had done business for sometime. Conveniently those posts are now missing but anyone who read V1ads original thread and the endorsement given by Limetless.
Lets also not forget the large quantities of cocaine Limetless has purchased recently. It can be a bitch supporting such an addiction
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Yep, time to make good on those payments vlad1m1r.
It is the only way you are going to dig your self out of this hole.
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There's not a chance in hell limetless will fess up to knowing vlad that would put way too much of a damper on his current life style/vending. It's just a poor business descension.
The people who seen the conversation can make their own judgements on him but you know he will post something talking trash to everyone and all his followers will blindly jump his dick doesn't matter if he knows vlad or not.
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Haha mate the daggers are comin' out full n proper now ..
This is gettin' tasty as Stevo Stephenson would say ..
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AHAHAHA this is fucking priceless! limitless I'm gonna tell you how to get out of this one and I'm gonna tell you right here in the open. People here so dumb they won't even notice.
It's clear that you and vladimir know each other so just tell everyone after this you have cut all ties with him. that simple and it just looks like you lost a friend and makes you look like a victim.
Bam you still win. you can have your cake and eat it too. Make sure you tell them you're not releasing any info on him because "thats not right" people eat that moral high ground shit up around here.
Your off free and clear no questions asked. You know I'm right, I'm always right.
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Seems that good ol' Vlad has a YouTube account in his own name. I'm watching some of his interesting rants right now.
Would you like the link? He isn't a bad looking chap. Although I want to tidy up his eyebrows a bit 8)
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Something interesting to also notice about limetless cocaine buying habits....
he purchased 5grams from Pfandleiher after his go to guy Dutchanbod stopped selling and passed his business on to PF. Nothing wrong with that
In the past 2-3 weeks he has now purchased 2 * 10 gram ordersfrom c63amg, who according to his posts he has never ordered from before but all of a sudden puts his faith in him and orders 10 grams.
He then orders 30 grams without a second thought from Supertrips, again it seems to be another first time transaction. He doesn't even seem that bothered that it is the previous batch which didn't receive favourable reviews :-X :-X :-X
He also receives another order of 10 grams from Afterhour in the same time frame as the other orders. :o :o :o :o
I guess billy big bollocks finally sold that armoured vehicle he had lying about in his garage :o :P
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I guess limetless "be ballin" from all that bang bang kitty meow he's cooking up
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Seems that good ol' Vlad has a YouTube account in his own name. I'm watching some of his interesting rants right now.
Would you like the link? He isn't a bad looking chap. Although I want to tidy up his eyebrows a bit 8)
He loves his monobrow. But he's tidied it up since. I have more recent photos of him ;)
would you be able to share?
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From what I can remember he gave away a few nuggets of information...he was in a relationship with kids and used to work in the financial services...maybe banking in the City of London....but he'd retired early and was trading in Bitcoins as a sideline business in conjunction with other businesses...but whether this was just a cover story is anyone's guess. I remember reading one of his posts and him saying that he himself was a criminal...but there should be some code of conduct between criminals...lol...what an absolute cunt.
He also stated on one post that there was another guy in the background advising him...a more experienced criminal...a Mr. Big?...he definitely wasn't working alone and he was part of a criminal network.
I will not post the full address but the address I sent money to was in St. Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands...was this the same with anyone else?
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Limetless = DGPF aka RC1000 scammer
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=31860.msg362128#msg362128
From what I can remember he gave away a few nuggets of information...he was in a relationship with kids and used to work in the financial services...maybe banking in the City of London....but he'd retired early and was trading in Bitcoins as a sideline business in conjunction with other businesses...but whether this was just a cover story is anyone's guess. I remember reading one of his posts and him saying that he himself was a criminal...but there should be some code of conduct between criminals...lol...what an absolute cunt.
He also stated on one post that there was another guy in the background advising him...a more experienced criminal...a Mr. Big?...he definitely wasn't working alone and he was part of a criminal network.
I will not post the full address but the address I sent money to was in St. Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands...was this the same with anyone else?
He made a point of mentioning that he worked in financial services, most likely it was untrue
I'm pretty certain there is only one address that money was sent to
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Wow! I mean Vlad1m1r a scammer! Who'd of thought it? Just goes to show you can't ultimately trust anyone on an anonymous network.
I thought he was currently working at a bank? Has anyone found out where he works?
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i was just wondering if you could share any pictures, links or info on this cunt, he is due me around 400BTC worth of cash.
thanks, pm me the details
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Wow I've still got all my messages vlad sent me when I was first learning PGP. He literally helped me step-by-step through the whole process, even after he knew that I was not in the UK and couldn't use his BTC services. Seemed like such a nice dude, I wonder why the fuck he decided to turn.
Although at least I've learned from this that you really can't trust fully anyone on here.
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Greed usually gets people to turn into monsters.
Plus, it is totally possible that he was being a nice guy to get a good reputation and get people's trust. That is what scammers do.
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This sucks balls, i think he has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes tbh. If you are reading this and you have ripped people off you are nothing short of total cock...
He was always spot on, it seems odd that there was another cash to BTC vendor around three weeks ago that seems to have slipped away too.
I would have thought this activity cant be illegal? If i walk into Tesco and change £30 quid into euros, and then proceed to buy crack off the guy on the street corner, they don't bust Tesco for giving him the euro to buy it...am I being naive ::)
I would have thought this would have been a very popular service to be honest, perhaps it is Inland Revenue/HMRC, amd he is being busted for tax evasion! ;D
Where does Cash to BTC go from here i guess....
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This sucks balls, i think he has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes tbh. If you are reading this and you have ripped people off you are nothing short of total cock...
He was always spot on, it seems odd that there was another cash to BTC vendor around three weeks ago that seems to have slipped away too.
I would have thought this activity cant be illegal? If i walk into Tesco and change £30 quid into euros, and then proceed to buy crack off the guy on the street corner, they don't bust Tesco for giving him the euro to buy it...am I being naive ::)
I would have thought this would have been a very popular service to be honest, perhaps it is Inland Revenue/HMRC, amd he is being busted for tax evasion! ;D
Where does Cash to BTC go from here i guess....
He is 100% not busted and is scrambling to cover up all his info he plastered EVERYWHERE on clearnet at this moment.
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Tbh I feel a bit of twat...my gut feeling told me there was something not 100% right about him...even though he was super nice and super helpful...I'd say I wanted x amount...and then he'd pm back and quote how many BC I'd get back and his cut...but the amount would always be larger than I initially wanted...he was always trying to suck me into sending him more money.
Always trust your instincts...if something appears too good to be true...it usually is. I've had enough experience dealing with dodgy fuckers by now to know the rules.
Oh well shit happens! It was only a relatively small amount...could be worse. What goes around comes around Vlad...there's a nice juicy piece of karma heading your way my friend. ;D
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Tbh I feel a bit of twat...my gut feeling told me there was something not 100% right about him...even though he was super nice and super helpful...I'd say I wanted x amount...and then he'd pm back and quote how many BC I'd get back and his cut...but the amount would always be larger than I initially wanted...he was always trying to suck me into sending him more money.
Always trust your instincts...if something appears too good to be true...it usually is. I've had enough experience dealing with dodgy fuckers by now to know the rules.
Oh well shit happens! It was only a relatively small amount...could be worse. What goes around comes around Vlad...there's a nice juicy piece of karma heading your way my friend. ;D
I'm guessing that's a turd in a jiffy-bag.
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Just post all of his fucking clearnet information. For fucks sake, just post all the fucking information. Make like 15 bombing accounts that link to a collection of the information on clearnet or another tor website. Keep the links coming in random intervals of time for a couple weeks until enough people see it.
For fucks sake, stop beating around the bush.
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Any 1 wana pm me his info? Got a question for him
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Ok I found his email, for anyone else it's on a saved cache of his youtube channel.
Could someone please pm me his address (and real name if you have it) so I can proceed to mail him my shit for the rest of his life
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just found this http://openruby.com/bitcoin/pages/5556803-the-silk-road-report-bitcoin-magazine
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Vendors who received cash from him should hope that no one goes after him for retribution. If he gets beaten up or harmed in anyway, his family threatened or intimidated in the process, the Police will most definitely get involved. At this point questions will be asked and he will find himself in a whole web of shit other than with this community. Then he'll probably give up all the addresses he sent money to. To be honest any Vendor who took cash from him should consider themselves compromised, IMO.
Batten down the hatches!
/me is confused why any vendor would take cash from a dipshit who knows nothing about security
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He came across as a very smart guy, I doubt he'd be stupid enough to have all his information plastered over the internet through his username. It's probably someone else.
He came across as a dumbass who tried to come across very smart to me
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Maybe if so many long-term/high-post-count/reputable members hadn't had their tongues so far up his arse then the people who got scammed might not have used his services at all.
The advertising people did on his behalf by constantly re-affirming how honest/trustworthy/reputable he is did more for his scamming than anything he possibly could've said to promote himself.
FWIW, there's a few people still gathering info. The address has been confirmed as the same address for everyone and the same name, too.
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Just read this entire thread, i was someone that recommended vlads service because i had never heard anything negative about it and i had RL friends who had successfully used his service.
I have seen a user with the same username on the bitcointalk forums. My best guess is that he was involved in the BTCS&L scam run by pirateat40. I dont think he was involved in the scan but he invested in it, using vendors money, which he should have started pating back last week. As pirate has dissapeared so has all the BTC invested by vlad, now he runs the risk of angry vendors hinting him down for money he cannot return, thus he cuts and runs.
Vlad is probably shitting himself right now due to the fact that drug dealers may have more luck in tracking him down than they would of tracking down pirateat40.
Regarding the Vlad1m1r / Limetless link, i initially thought they may be one and the same person. The vlad identity selling for cash the BTC generated by Limetless' vendor sales, however given vlad1m1r disnt even create a new identity for use on Tor, that differed from his clearnet identity, then i dont see him creating an identity as sophisticated as Limetless as part of his scam.
My guess is they were both frequently online and from the UK, so online at similar times. There endeth the similarities.
Short version -vlad1m1r got scammed by pirateat40 in the BTC savings and loan scam, he then scammed SR users because some of those users had invested in his investment scheme (essentially he was just a re-seller, offering 6%, where pirate offered 7%, aiming to cream off 1% for himself) so he could not show his face around here again so decided to minimise his losses by scamming the cash he was sent.
I figure everyone can say goodbye to the cash though even if he is tracked down, thats not to say i dont want to see it happen however.
*sits back, grabs popcorn*
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Great theory UKMJ. Could definitely be plausible.
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Just read this entire thread, i was someone that recommended vlads service because i had never heard anything negative about it and i had RL friends who had successfully used his service.
I have seen a user with the same username on the bitcointalk forums. My best guess is that he was involved in the BTCS&L scam run by pirateat40. I dont think he was involved in the scan but he invested in it, using vendors money, which he should have started pating back last week. As pirate has dissapeared so has all the BTC invested by vlad, now he runs the risk of angry vendors hinting him down for money he cannot return, thus he cuts and runs.
Vlad is probably shitting himself right now due to the fact that drug dealers may have more luck in tracking him down than they would of tracking down pirateat40.
Regarding the Vlad1m1r / Limetless link, i initially thought they may be one and the same person. The vlad identity selling for cash the BTC generated by Limetless' vendor sales, however given vlad1m1r disnt even create a new identity for use on Tor, that differed from his clearnet identity, then i dont see him creating an identity as sophisticated as Limetless as part of his scam.
My guess is they were both frequently online and from the UK, so online at similar times. There endeth the similarities.
Short version -vlad1m1r got scammed by pirateat40 in the BTC savings and loan scam, he then scammed SR users because some of those users had invested in his investment scheme (essentially he was just a re-seller, offering 6%, where pirate offered 7%, aiming to cream off 1% for himself) so he could not show his face around here again so decided to minimise his losses by scamming the cash he was sent.
I figure everyone can say goodbye to the cash though even if he is tracked down, thats not to say i dont want to see it happen however.
*sits back, grabs popcorn*
Nice observation and theory.
There's definitely something sketchy as fuck with the vlad/limetless link.
Found some more RL info pertaining to his location, employment, contact details, etc... can't help but feel if he doesn't show up here to fix things then his real life in the real world is going to get really, really awkward for him...
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Whoever is deleting Vlad1m1r's posts that might contain info on who he is and whatnot -
IT'S NO USE BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW WHO HE IS.
Either he is coming online to delete his posts, or a mod is helping him. There's no other way.
If a mod is helping him, I thought it was in the best interests of SR to get rid of scammers, not get rid of evidence.
I believe he is unable to delete his own posts since his account is deactivated. That leaves a moderator friend... Oh hi, Limetless?
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Short version -vlad1m1r got scammed by pirateat40 in the BTC savings and loan scam, he then scammed SR users because some of those users had invested in his investment scheme (essentially he was just a re-seller, offering 6%, where pirate offered 7%, aiming to cream off 1% for himself) so he could not show his face around here again so decided to minimise his losses by scamming the cash he was sent.
Pirate40 was giving out 7% interest per week i belive, Vlad was only giving out 6% per month, so there is a big difference in payout % per month. I am glad i have no money invested in him, can't say i ever trusted the idea of buying/selling BTC for cash in mail, very glad i never dealt with him.
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Whoever is deleting Vlad1m1r's posts that might contain info on who he is and whatnot -
IT'S NO USE BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW WHO HE IS.
Either he is coming online to delete his posts, or a mod is helping him. There's no other way.
If a mod is helping him, I thought it was in the best interests of SR to get rid of scammers, not get rid of evidence.
I believe he is unable to delete his own posts since his account is deactivated. That leaves a moderator friend... Oh hi, Limetless?
Yeah, Limetless, were you in on this? Or knew about it and didn't give a fuck people were going to get scammed?
Great moderators they have here if that's true.
I find it weird that all the 'buddy buddy' posts have been deleted, and Vlad had written somewhere that he has someone giving him advice. He always stuck up for Vlad and promoted his service to people several times. And I don'tthink it's just a coincidence, if you're new here and a mod says someone is legit, 90% of the time you'll buy it.
Also the fact that Limetless has just gone off on a supposed 'holiday' to another red flag I think.
On one post Limetless wrote "Actually it is illegal to facilitate criminal transactions which is exactly what Vlad was doing and on top of that he is technically laundering proceeds and facilitating criminal acts. There is a whole list of laws he was breaking so the idea he was doing nothing wrong is naive at best. Just because "it's just money" doesn't mean it's not illegal. HSBC laundering money much?"
This was posted on the 25th of August. Note how he says 'was doing' - he already knew he was going to do a runner. And I think the HSBC quip at the end was an unconscious slip ;)
The link to this post is:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=37834.msg430483#msg430483
This. One hundred times this.
Past posts being deleted to try erase evidence of the friendship between Limetless and Vlad. Limetless "coincidentally" goes on holiday the same time as Vlad scams everyone... Plus the mod endorsement, etc. It's all too coincidental. Especially when you factor in the ML business Limetless does/did, and the fact that Vlad had some sort of "mentor".
I'd agree that the past tense of "that's what Vlad was doing", could well have been a slip and Limetless had knowledge of the scam.
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He came across as a very smart guy, I doubt he'd be stupid enough to have all his information plastered over the internet through his username. It's probably someone else.
He came across as a dumbass who tried to come across very smart to me
like limetless
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Every time vendors wanted to discuss the very real issue of cashing out, Vlad and Limetless would shut the discussion down and tell the OP to pay onefifty btc to limetless for his consultation. As if I'd tell him anything and get bullied and pay for the privilege! The hilarious thing is that third parties would even back them up as if that was somehow an intelligent security measure! Hated the fuck out of limetless and couldn't even read his bs. Just saw vlad as his butt boy. Were they the same person? Limetless seemed too immature too craft another slightly different persona.
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Every time vendors wanted to discuss the very real issue of cashing out, Vlad and Limetless would shut the discussion down and tell the OP to pay onefifty btc to limetless for his consultation. As if I'd tell him anything and get bullied and pay for the privilege! The hilarious thing is that third parties would even back them up as if that was somehow an intelligent security measure! Hated the fuck out of limetless and couldn't even read his bs. Just saw vlad as his butt boy. Were they the same person? Limetless seemed too immature too craft another slightly different persona.
150btc for "consultation".
fucking ridiculous.
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Not talking about specific cashing out methods in a public forum is just common sense, wheter their advice was worth 150BTC i dont know.
I think whenever something like this occurs people always look for other parties that may have been involved, however given 'Nathan's' apparent lack of discretion and security i think we were dealing with someone who was essentially out of his depth and trying to play gangster, then when shit went tits up, he realised that people he took money from may not be playing the way he was, he also had an address linked to him, even if he did BS that it was unconnected to him. Given that 10 mins on google can get hs name, dob and facebook then his "security" is worthless and im guessin the address used was his and his BS wS supposed to try and hde that fact.
Based on that i would say he did not inend to scam but once he got scammed by pirate he had to get out of the game because he had invested his investors (SR Vendors) in a ponzi scheme from which no one was getting cash back anytime soon.
Any link to Limetless is circumstantial at present and I would need to see some proof before i tar Limetless with the same brush.
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Have to agree even on day 1 of not getting btc's everyone would rather believe he was busted and no one would dare say scam or be.ridiculed and people still defend him as a victim of some investment bullshit the guy build up rep till he hax enough btc and cash the fucked off
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Not talking about specific cashing out methods in a public forum is just common sense, wheter their advice was worth 150BTC i dont know.
I think whenever something like this occurs people always look for other parties that may have been involved, however given 'Nathan's' apparent lack of discretion and security i think we were dealing with someone who was essentially out of his depth and trying to play gangster, then when shit went tits up, he realised that people he took money from may not be playing the way he was, he also had an address linked to him, even if he did BS that it was unconnected to him. Given that 10 mins on google can get hs name, dob and facebook then his "security" is worthless and im guessin the address used was his and his BS wS supposed to try and hde that fact.
Based on that i would say he did not inend to scam but once he got scammed by pirate he had to get out of the game because he had invested his investors (SR Vendors) in a ponzi scheme from which no one was getting cash back anytime soon.
Any link to Limetless is circumstantial at present and I would need to see some proof before i tar Limetless with the same brush.
^This hits the nail on the head.
As for the tenuous link to Limetless, whilst the disappearing posts do trouble me slightly, there is no evidence that it is Limetless doing the deleting.
However, I think it would be prudent to lock down the recent moderator's accounts (Limetless & Guru) until we know what's going on here. No offense to either Limetless or Guru, but this is very serious, and one of the reasons I am completely against bringing new moderators into the fold like this, regardless of reputation. Something sinister is afoot and we cannot allow whatever that is to threaten our freedoms here.
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I dont know how you can view deleted posts or what marks a post as deleted in a thread but it would seem prudent to check who deleted what and why so we can clear this up asap.
When was Guru made a mod?
Someone else said Lim had gone 'on vacation' odd that someone with such a post count would not mention that before going anywhere, perhaps he did and i missed it though.
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He did make a thread saying he was away. I doubt lim is vlad but I think a thread should go up in tek support ti find out whos deleting posts
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However, I think it would be prudent to lock down the recent moderator's accounts (Limetless & Guru) until we know what's going on here. No offense to either Limetless or Guru, but this is very serious, and one of the reasons I am completely against bringing new moderators into the fold like this, regardless of reputation. Something sinister is afoot and we cannot allow whatever that is to threaten our freedoms here.
It'd be nice if we had some input from the administrators regarding this whole debacle.
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Fuck. I'm another one then who has been scammed by Vlad >:(
My 1st purchase, £200, gone.
Gutted.
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The only thing with that suggestion is that Vlad came after Lim, especially if vlad was a way to launder Lims BTC. However vlad left so many links to his real identity, i.e. He used vlad1m1r on the clearnet for a long time before signing up on SR with it. Given that the Limetless handle seems pretty clean on the clearnet he would have had to be an idiot to then create a user account based on his main nickname.
Fir this reason i am pretty happy they are not one and th same person, but i would like to know who has been deleting posts linking the two of them, or even some evidence that posts have been deleted at all. Not sure who made the accusations about that but they are being repeated snd i an yet to see priof. If you have some post it here.
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Wow, what a perfect little virtual microcosm of the criminal world SR is. Fascinating stuff. Grim as well though of course.
Out of everyone I've dealt with here, Vlad was my best experience, and one I least distrusted. Go figure. On the other hand, Limetless is perhaps the one I most distrust. His recommendations are always avoided like the plague for me. Conclusion? Fuck knows. I trust nobody, but I trust some less than others I guess:)
@ Sc0t1and_Y4rdi3, spot on mate. Good call.
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Any link to Limetless is circumstantial at present and I would need to see some proof before i tar Limetless with the same brush.
I completely agree, I recall reading Limetless would be away for 4 days or so on the Mephedrone thread. Give him a chance to return before you make your assumptions.
And to everyone who has been scammed by Vlad1m1r, I feel for you guys, what a cunt!
TSSH
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The last time limetless was logged into the forum was about 16 hours ago. so if the post have disappeared after that than it's not him. If they disappeared before that and stop disappearing that we know whose covering the tracks.
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For the record, the only threads I have deleted here (with one exception, and that was with DPR's concurrence, albeit after the fact) have been the Mt. Gix spam threads. DPR has instructed me that these are the only threads that I am to remove, and I have absolutely no intention of contravening these instructions. Frankly, I find your insinuation that I am somehow involved in the recent deletion of threads related to Vlad1m1r insulting. I am as taken aback as anyone else at the recent turn of events. To be perfectly honest, I had even been considering using his services myself -- I just hadn't gotten around to contacting him about it. I could just as easily been a victim as the rest of you.
Guru
Hi Guru,
As I stated, I mean no offense to you or Limetless, but until the situation regarding deleted posts has been resolved I think it prudent that we enter a 'state of heightened alert' so to speak. I was not insinuating that you are involved in the deletion of threads relating to Vlad1m1r, I was simply stating that it would be prudent to remove recent moderator's privileges until we can figure out what is going on here. It was in no way meant as an attack on your character. I have great respect for your contribution to the community here pre-mod status, and indeed your contribution in keeping spam to a minimum post-mod status. Whilst I don't always share your views, I do respect the logic you lay them out with. I did not use Vlad1m1r's service, so have no personal interest in this scenario apart from the safety and freedoms of the community.
- grahamgreene
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the visa guy was some how linked to vlad or seemed like it ,vlad completly shot through on that thread saying all sorts of wierd shit about getting his boys to cut peoples fingers off ,was funny for a supposed bank worker
and the same thread vlad did say something that made me think they new each otter it was reffering to one of the boys going to do the finger cutting as if lim would no who he was on about but lim wouldnt of used clearnet name for sure to clean his coins
but also he could of been niked i was amazed he had addresses that have to be linked to him to send cash and yet tells everyone on here he sells vendors coins(money laundering)
cops class that as bad as selling the drugs
has he scammed the vendors as well coz thats were these guys make the real money and if hes been caught id be pretty scared if i was vending vid vlad even do drugs i didnt think so and hel grass in a second when they say hes getting 5 years for laundering money
wumg meant to of lost 25k fanny lost a lot and plenty of others from coin sellers scamming them so maybe vlad had a lot of vendors coins at the time and called it a day
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yes thats the 1 i mean ,he said something to lim as if lim new who he was on about in real life
why would they delete it yesterday fair enough if deletad at the time as it was stupid the pics of guns and his pretection gang and shit but deleting yesterday is well dodgy
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Have to agree even on day 1 of not getting btc's everyone would rather believe he was busted and no one would dare say scam or be.ridiculed and people still defend him as a victim of some investment bullshit the guy build up rep till he hax enough btc and cash the fucked off
The thing that seems strange to me is that he didn't have a big sale or something. How much BTC did he actually scam out of people?? I thought the dude was sketchy ever since he tried to get people to use his Tor bridge and essentially hand over their IP addresses to him. Honestly he did not strike me as a scammer though. The fact that he backed up Oscar was also extremely sketchy. Pretty much I wanted nothing to do with him. I didn't know he actually sent vendors cash, very stupid for vendors to cash out through an on forum service. That would be an excellent way for LE to identify vendors, what were they thinking??
As far as Limetless, eh I have seen posts from him being friendly towards Vlad for sure. I am not at all convinced that he actually is Vlad or conspired to do a scam with him. It is extremely sketchy that posts from vlad are being deleted off the forum, and even more sketchy that they are being deleted off the clearnet. That makes it seem pretty much like he did indeed scam and was not simply arrested by LE.
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the ponzi scheme was a surefire way of spotting the scam before it happened.
you have to ask yourselves, if certain mods were not complicit in the scam, then they displayed a level of ineptitude letting it happen.
just sayin.
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Punkst0ner - what ponzi scheme are you talking about?
Also vlad offered an out of escrow service, admins cannot do anything to protect people who dont use escrow.
Guru - i am assuming that this:
" Frankly, I find your insinuation that I am somehow involved in the recent deletion of threads related to Vlad1m1r insulting. "
Was not directed at me as i didnt insinuate anything regarding your handling of the situation. On the other hand can you check exactly what was deleted or when it was deleted from the diploma/degree thread that os being discussed?
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Vlad was always one of the first to post on the scamming threads telling them how much of a piece of trash they were. One thing I've noticed around here is when someone is consistently doing that they are usually up to no good themselves.
Yes, this is a very good sign of a scammer. Alot of times they also claim to be affected by scams themselfs.
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No, that remark was not directed at you.
I believe it was directed at me; Guru just in case you might have skipped over it, I posted a reply on the previous page explaining the reasoning behind my comments. It wasn't a personal attack of any kind.
- grahamgreene
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So maybe Vlad is a scammer, and then again maybe he was involved in the pirateat40 fracaso and may even himself have been scammed. Circumstantial evidence of a relationship between Vlad and pirateat40 might be found in the timing of Vlad's first posts about getting sick and the date when pirateat40 notified the bitcoin world that he was closing his "investment fund". I believe pirateat40's announcement was made around July 31.
(How can any reasonable person offer an unsecured loan in bitcoins to an anonymous internet user who promises an absurdly high rate of return and calls himself "pirate"?)
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So maybe Vlad is a scammer, and then again maybe he was involved in the pirateat40 fracaso and may even himself have been scammed. Circumstantial evidence of a relationship between Vlad and pirateat40 might be found in the timing of Vlad's first posts about getting sick and the date when pirateat40 notified the bitcoin world that he was closing his "investment fund". I believe pirateat40's announcement was made around July 31.
(How can any reasonable person offer an unsecured loan in bitcoins to an anonymous internet user who promises an absurdly high rate of return and calls himself "pirate"?)
Let's be honest here, does anyone actually give a fuck if Vlad did get scammed? It doesn't justify turning around and scamming your customers to try cover your loss. The reasons behind it are irrelevant, the fact is that he HAS scammed us - there's no maybe about it.
Now, where do we stand on releasing his information and/or making life difficult for him? I'd quite happily quit the witch-hunt if my money was returned, otherwise I see no reason not to release his name, address, DOB, employers, affiliated companies/groups, etc. I'm sure his employers would love to know about his extracurricular activities. And how about LE reading this board?
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Hey Vlad!
Guess what?
Got your current employer and the address of the office 100% confirmed :) Just so you know that this isn't bullshit, here's a little clue for you. Africa.
I'll have my BTC before midnight tonight please.
Thanks,
psykhe.
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Let's be honest here, does anyone actually give a fuck if Vlad did get scammed? It doesn't justify turning around and scamming your customers to try cover your loss. The reasons behind it are irrelevant, the fact is that he HAS scammed us - there's no maybe about it.
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If I seem to be looking at this from the smug viewpoint of someone who didn't get stung, I apologize.
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If I seem to be looking at this from the smug viewpoint of someone who didn't get stung, I apologize.
It's no problem, no apology necessary. Obviously I'm a little tetchy.
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Well since no one is sharing vlads info...I offer 25 BTC for anyone that can get my 100 coins back from him. Whatever it takes, just don't kill the guy or hurt him too bad. Technically he owes me 106. If you get that, you can keep the 6.
This is the address we agreed upon. 1B243vwKBFdpvQFTBZ9i6ANJZwfsJbQErt
Vlad, if you pay me back I will rescind the offer.
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I just want my fucking bitcoins, not that I'm gonna get the cunts like or my money back, we have been bumped to fuck
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No one is getting coins or money back from Vlad1m1r.
Even if he was scammed by pirate his only option would be to come clean with his investors and wait it out like the rest of the BTC community to see if pirate paid up.
By deleting his accounts on SR and the forum he has essentially given up on pirate and his customers. Even if pirate refunds his money I bet he does not return here to make things right with the people he ripped off.
Im betting he is keeping up with this thread given he and his personal details are being discussed. Well Vlad you either planned this really well and set up some guy on the clearnet to take the fall for your scam (which i doubt) or you were really dumb and used a nickname that can be traced/linked to you (this is what i think you did). The reason i think the latter and not the former, if you were trying to fuck over the vlad1m1r on the clearnet then you would have no reason to delete your SR and forum accounts, but you did.
Fell bad for everyone who was ripped off by him.
As an aside I think that black market reloaded has implemented an escrow sustem for BTC/Moneypak exchanges, whilst that would not have prevented this scam it would prevent other scams associated with obtaining BTC.
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Someone said not a bad looking chap? A face for radio, I'd say. It's hilarious he was always telling people to go to limetless for security.
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I'm very surprised he hasn't deleted this channel yet. Gee this guy is dumb.
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This guys a fucking reatard
Ohhh dear poor wee nate dawg is going to get whats coming too him.
Also I couldnt give a fuck about this 'pirate' speculation he shoukdnt be an idiot his fault not customers
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I'm very surprised he hasn't deleted this channel yet. Gee this guy is dumb.
He's still working at his "real-life" job, so he's probably not realised that more links to him have been found.
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Holy fuck. Why are you all still talking shit? Not one of you is going to do a god damn thing. For fucks sake, if you were going to do something you would already be on your way to commit a murder.
This is an anonymous forum. No one knows who you are. Go murder his ass NSA and stop your crying!
I WANNA SEE BLOOD!
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Haha chip in for a hitman off tor?
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did clearnet vlad sell bit coins for cash in mail on bit forum /clearnet if so someone will no if it was sent to channel islands
he would of been so easy for cops to catch living there its tiny isnt it and they would of gone to the place he gets money sent even if not him they would find out his name
if its been so easy for people to find out who he is then maybe cops got him for money laundering hes admitted enough times
are u sure vlad sr is this clearnet guy and not just taken his name to gain credibility , someone must no if clearnet vlad is in channel islands
i have no idea whats gone on not saying he hasnt scammed ive never dealt with him and only read his posts/adverts
why anyone would do them investment things is beyond me
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I'm very surprised he hasn't deleted this channel yet. Gee this guy is dumb.
He's still working at his "real-life" job, so he's probably not realised that more links to him have been found.
His LinkedIn profile is still up. (I think its him)
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Holy fuck. Why are you all still talking shit? Not one of you is going to do a god damn thing. For fucks sake, if you were going to do something you would already be on your way to commit a murder.
This is an anonymous forum. No one knows who you are. Go murder his ass NSA and stop your crying!
I WANNA SEE BLOOD!
Are you fucking stupid ofc people are not going to kill him that's not what this is about. What the smart people are doing with his info is compiling everything before it was taken down. putting together a nice portfolio and then proceed to send it to his employer/LE
That fucking simple. There's enough evidence linking his real life identity to his online anonymous identity and that's a fucking fact. If you would take time to think before you speak you'd realize this but ofc I know you are not capable of thinking on your own.
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dont give his fukin details to LE nt of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all the grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
If his linkedin profile is true, he will be fucking minted, and have no problem paying back.
I don't know why he got into this world, but I suspect he is attached to LE in one way or another.
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Holy fuck. Why are you all still talking shit? Not one of you is going to do a god damn thing. For fucks sake, if you were going to do something you would already be on your way to commit a murder.
This is an anonymous forum. No one knows who you are. Go murder his ass NSA and stop your crying!
I WANNA SEE BLOOD!
Are you fucking stupid ofc people are not going to kill him that's not what this is about. What the smart people are doing with his info is compiling everything before it was taken down. putting together a nice portfolio and then proceed to send it to his employer/LE
That fucking simple. There's enough evidence linking his real life identity to his online anonymous identity and that's a fucking fact. If you would take time to think before you speak you'd realize this but ofc I know you are not capable of thinking on your own.
dont give his fukin details to LE any of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all to grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
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dont give his fukin details to LE nt of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all the grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
It's too late for that. Doesn't matter what kind of info he has the fact is this is the only way people can actually get back at him, a really effective way at that. Were all criminals here and we all know how to manipulate the system to our advantage. This is a perfect example of that.
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dont give his fukin details to LE nt of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all the grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
It's too late for that. Doesn't matter what kind of info he has the fact is this is the only way people can actually get back at him, a really effective way at that. Were all criminals here and we all know how to manipulate the system to our advantage. This is a perfect example of that.
I just smoke a shitload of dope and pass a bit on. I've never really thought of myself as a criminal.
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dont give his fukin details to LE nt of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all the grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
If his linkedin profile is true, he will be fucking minted, and have no problem paying back.
I don't know why he got into this world, but I suspect he is attached to LE in one way or another.
its mental that vendors would use these guys to cash out LE will be selling coins for sure and hoping to sell vendors coins its the best thing they could do if its too risky/illegal for them to sell real drugs
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did clearnet vlad sell bit coins for cash in mail on bit forum /clearnet if so someone will no if it was sent to channel islands
he would of been so easy for cops to catch living there its tiny isnt it and they would of gone to the place he gets money sent even if not him they would find out his name
if its been so easy for people to find out who he is then maybe cops got him for money laundering hes admitted enough times
are u sure vlad sr is this clearnet guy and not just taken his name to gain credibility , someone must no if clearnet vlad is in channel islands
i have no idea whats gone on not saying he hasnt scammed ive never dealt with him and only read his posts/adverts
why anyone would do them investment things is beyond me
He stated on bitcointalk that he runs a successful BTC cash-in-the-mail service here on SR. I'm 99% sure it's the same guy - the syntax in his postings and in his spoken word on the videos is also exactly the same.
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dont give his fukin details to LE nt of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all the grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
If his linkedin profile is true, he will be fucking minted, and have no problem paying back.
I don't know why he got into this world, but I suspect he is attached to LE in one way or another.
its mental that vendors would use these guys to cash out LE will be selling coins for sure and hoping to sell vendors coins its the best thing they could do if its too risky/illegal for them to sell real drugs
I agree. I can think of much safer ways to cash out. Lets hope the vendors concerned did not put all their eggs in one basket.
Like I said a few posts back, the "investment" schemes raise massive, huge, all-singing, all dancing red flags for me. Ponzi scheme. The income from new investors pays the profit to old investors. When the supply of new investors runs out, you have a problem. Rather like Charles Ponzi found out in 1920!
Given Jordans' profession and profile on LI I am certain he is LE/linked to LE. Not plod. Something more specialist than that.
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A specialist? R u kidding me. With the trail this guys left. A pure amateur who has gotten way out of his depth.
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dont give his fukin details to LE nt of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all the grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
It's too late for that. Doesn't matter what kind of info he has the fact is this is the only way people can actually get back at him, a really effective way at that. Were all criminals here and we all know how to manipulate the system to our advantage. This is a perfect example of that.
what u mean youve given the police his details and said what, he was selling coins from drug sales of others to buyers like me so we could buy drugs of others but he turned scammer ,he probably wont even get punished if he got an expensive lawyer and it would just cause bullshit and more attention to sr and if he did get done he would give up everything he has on people who hes dealt with
u still wont get your money back so no matter how pissed anyone is i carnt believe u think this is a good idea ,it isnt
u must be new to scoring or be under 25 coz anyone who grew up around my age and has done drugs on street wouldnt consider this as an option it achieves nothing and could cause others more shit than vlad ,why would u do this ,this site isnt for people who consider this as an option ,dont do it
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A specialist? R u kidding me. With the trail this guys left. A pure amateur who has gotten way out of his depth.
Perhaps so.
It's the small things that these dicks usually fuck up on.
All I can say is that any evidence gathered from a deep infiltration such as what I'm suggesting would be admissible in the English Courts. You can commit crime to investigate crime. Look at the case of PC Mark Kennedy and his undercover work.
You should see the lengths the DWP will go to proving a single mother actually lives with her partner and is claiming benefits fraudulently. There are many more badge carriers in this country than just the police!
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total cunt,had me fooled aswell,i was about to send him some cash but tried a different cheaper method,glad i fuckin did
by the way i tried that you tube channel,videos unavailable
irl i never trust any cunt who is overfriendly,and in hindsight he was just that,,,,,i hope you get your shit sorted soon
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dont give his fukin details to LE nt of u for fucks sake he scammed u get in touch with him and try make him realise its better to pay but dont go to the cops hes got vendors details and will be in trouble and grass them up
when u buy stuff on here FE or coins u must no theres a risk like scoring in the ghettos theres a risk your going to get robbed and u take it yes u lost this time but no need at all the grass him and cause shit for others if he grasses which he will
no one send fuck all to the cops no matter how much he got u for it will cause shit for others aswell
It's too late for that. Doesn't matter what kind of info he has the fact is this is the only way people can actually get back at him, a really effective way at that. Were all criminals here and we all know how to manipulate the system to our advantage. This is a perfect example of that.
what u mean youve given the police his details and said what, he was selling coins from drug sales of others to buyers like me so we could buy drugs of others but he turned scammer ,he probably wont even get punished if he got an expensive lawyer and it would just cause bullshit and more attention to sr and if he did get done he would give up everything he has on people who hes dealt with
u still wont get your money back so no matter how pissed anyone is i carnt believe u think this is a good idea ,it isnt
u must be new to scoring or be under 25 coz anyone who grew up around my age and has done drugs on street wouldnt consider this as an option it achieves nothing and could cause others more shit than vlad ,why would u do this ,this site isnt for people who consider this as an option ,dont do it
I'm 33 and I'm well aware of what the consequences will be. The whole point of this is to make his life as uncomfortable as possible, that's it. His employer is the main thing here which you're not seeing. Once you take away his job you take away his lifestyle and that's the ultimate goal. Anything else that happens legally is just a bonus.
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if your 100% sure its the same as the clearnet guy do what ever u want just dont tell the police it will cause shit for others more than vlad ,hes only sold coins which arnt illegal unless theres proof it was vendors coins so going to the cops will cause other guys lots of shit which is not right and pointless
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if your 100% sure its the same as the clearnet guy do what ever u want just dont tell the police it will cause shit for others more than vlad ,hes only sold coins which arnt illegal unless theres proof it was vendors coins so going to the cops will cause other guys lots of shit which is not right and pointless
He works in the legal/finance sector. He will have professional registrations. If his employers get wind about this, they will be required to inform the authority's.
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This place is fucking nuts :P
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Holy fuck. Why are you all still talking shit? Not one of you is going to do a god damn thing. For fucks sake, if you were going to do something you would already be on your way to commit a murder.
This is an anonymous forum. No one knows who you are. Go murder his ass NSA and stop your crying!
I WANNA SEE BLOOD!
Are you fucking stupid ofc people are not going to kill him that's not what this is about. What the smart people are doing with his info is compiling everything before it was taken down. putting together a nice portfolio and then proceed to send it to his employer/LE
That fucking simple. There's enough evidence linking his real life identity to his online anonymous identity and that's a fucking fact. If you would take time to think before you speak you'd realize this but ofc I know you are not capable of thinking on your own.
Fuck you write a lot of shit spacecase #2!! I always thought you would be the kind of idiot that would give info/evidence on Vlad to his employer but more importantly, LE. To even contemplate handing ANYTHING over to LE, despite your theory on it's level of importance or relevance to anything, shows just how stupid you really are. Your suggesting to people that "If you would take time to think before you speak", yet your prepared to potentially jeopardize the security of SR and it's many users by passing info/evidence to Police in the hope he will be arrested, not knowing the extent of info Police could possibly extract from it. Never ever give Police anything under any circumstances, FULL STOP. I think Vlad may have underestimated some people's determination to find information on himself and through some really poor choices he made, (which I bet he regrets now) such as using the same name on both the clear and darknet and exposing his face for all to see, I would think that in today's world with so much sophisticated equipment available, capable of amazing things, he will have many sleepless nights contemplating his next move. The world is not as bigger place as one might think. Having bumped into people I went to primary school with many years ago on the other side of the world when I was working overseas, stranger things have happened I'm sure.
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Ok re: the claim he is LE or linked to LE.
I remember a thread he posted in saying how he had been involved with the UK Police as part of his work, i took it as sonething like e had a duty to notify police and probably respond to requests from the police regarding money laundering, again I assume related to transactions taken place through his employers company. This is as opposed to him working for them or being contracted to provide expert analysis or anything like that. Of course the specifics may be very different but he is not LE and his SR work was not sanctioned by them in anyway. Of course if they were involved it may go one of two ways, they could try to use him to get to vendors or they make an example because of his 9-5 to job.
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You think I don't understand what I'm doing? You just can't get it can you? You are talking to me like I have some sort or morals, that's your first mistake. The point of this is not to take it to LE but if it makes it there, then hey, that's just how it goes.
What you're saying about LE coming down on SR because of this is absolute BS. Even if Vlad were to flip (which he will they all do) it's not going to effect SR one bit, actually it will get SR more business from the free PR.
Back to the topic. The mission for the people involved in this should be to get this portfolio to Vlads' employer, family and friends. That's how you get back at someone for this. Yeah, I'm aware of what the laws say his employer must do with this info.
And we're speaking hypothetical ofc ;)
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I'm sorry, no. I'm not familiar enough with the Forum software to know whether such information is even kept, and if it is kept, where it can be located.
I think this would be a question best directed at DPR. I'm sorry I can't give you a better answer than that.
Guru
You should be able to see a log of all deleted post in either the moderator or administrator control panel
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I understand what people are worried about re: bringing unnecessary heat to SR by outing scammers.
But what is that saying exactly?
It's saying come on over here and scam whoever the fuck you want, as many times as you want, because no one will out you to your employers for fear of LE focusing on SR.
As if they aren't already focused on taking SR down. Like it would take a scammer for them to really start taking SR seriously. Yeah right...
Come on guys, there are probably whole divisions of LE working to get this place shut down, or put a dent in it.
And what are the people who got scammed supposed to do?
Just suck it up while the scammer rakes it in?
You can't blame people for trying to get their money back.
You know how it is. We constantly tell people in this trade that the worst possible thing you can do is give away someones person info. We plant that seed in everyone minds from the start. Only the naive truly believe that garbage. One day that kid will wake up and realize how much of a sheep he really is. But, then again he may never realize it, I can tell he's not very bright and just repeating shit he's just seen, kinda like going with the crowd, a follower basically doing anything to gain acceptance from the masses.
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I was undecided as to whether he planned this all along or whether he got scammed himself and lost a lot of money, shit himself and decided to cut his losses and get the fuck out of dodge.
I've decided on the latter.
Far from being the master criminal he tried to portray he now comes across as a complete fuckwit with the amount of trail he left behind and the exposed links between clearnet and down here in the underworld.
We now know everything about him...where he lives, his job, his political views, what he looks like...shit, i even unearthed some articles he wrote for Jersey news.
The guy is in a world of shit...and he fucking knows it...but I still think there's about as much chance of us getting our money back as me dry-humping Hilary Clinton in the Oval Office.
The only line of action will be retribution via harassment or violence.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's taken some of the proceeds, bought a plane ticket and fucked off outta the UK already.
Either way I will be creating a voodoo doll and sticking pins in it...what a fucking cunt. >:(
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I was undecided as to whether he planned this all along or whether he got scammed himself an lost a lot of money, shit himself and decided to cut his losses and get the fuck out of dodge.
I've decided on the latter.
Far from being the master criminal he tried to portray he now comes across as a complete fuckwit with the amount of trail he left behind and the exposed links between clearnet and down here in the underworld.
We now know everything about him...where he lives, his job, his political views, what he looks like...shit, i even unearthed some articles he wrote for Jersey news.
The guy is in a world of shit...and he fucking knows it...but I still think there's about as much chance of us getting our money back as me dry-humping Hilary Clinton in the Oval Office.
The only line of action will be retribution via harassment or violence.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's taken some of the proceeds, bought a plane ticket and fucked off outta the UK already.
Either ay I will be creating a voodoo doll and sticking pins in it...what a fucking cunt. >:(
Lim and Vlad are currently in South America drinking facny tropical drinks, sniffing fine SA coke and playing with big booty Latin Americans with your money.
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did clearnet vlad sell bit coins for cash in mail on bit forum /clearnet if so someone will no if it was sent to channel islands
he would of been so easy for cops to catch living there its tiny isnt it and they would of gone to the place he gets money sent even if not him they would find out his name
if its been so easy for people to find out who he is then maybe cops got him for money laundering hes admitted enough times
are u sure vlad sr is this clearnet guy and not just taken his name to gain credibility , someone must no if clearnet vlad is in channel islands
i have no idea whats gone on not saying he hasnt scammed ive never dealt with him and only read his posts/adverts
why anyone would do them investment things is beyond me
He stated on bitcointalk that he runs a successful BTC cash-in-the-mail service here on SR. I'm 99% sure it's the same guy - the syntax in his postings and in his spoken word on the videos is also exactly the same.
I have seen a direct post from our friend Nathan offering to sell BTC/Cash on the clearnet, and the account is in his REAL name
I'd like to sell a total quantity of 10.00000000 Bitcoins in exchange for
GBP Cash Deposit and I'm looking for a price of MTGOX + 10% .
Notes
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I am prepared to sell any amount of Bitcoins at MtGox rates +10% in exchange for cash in the mail / bank deposit.
nathan********
Member for 3 months
Email Confirmed Jun 2012
Mobile Yes
Twitter No Account
Facebook Error fetching data...
LinkedIn No Account
it even has his IP address logged as being from Jersey.........
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Favorite Vlad quote on Google so far - In regards to Boy Zones song words - "Well said - for a "gay" song it's amazing how many girls you can get to sleep with you after singing it to them! :)"
I have no financial stake in this at all, i just like searching google and i hate scammers!
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Saw that as well myself Green Giant. What a hot mess he's landed himself in eh? Be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few days. I suspect we haven't yet seen the last of dear old Vlad. He's obviously watching this thread; he's ripped off dealers, buyers and the occasional tweaker - all of whom have proven themselves in real life examples to be less than predictable when wronged.
Nathan - nobody is asking you to "do the right thing" here. People are asking you to look out for yourself, because they know self-preservation is the only thing that will motivate you. And to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone that you've stolen from, with the time necessary to do so is on their way to Jersey right now / already there to find you. After all, you're just a hop, skip and a jump away from most of your customers.
It all reminds me of a line from the movie "The Bank Job", where Michael X tells Lou Vogel that unless he retrieves Michael's damning pictures of Princess Margaret: "you will never see a black man on the streets of London without wondering if he's been sent to kill you!"
Nathan - is what little amount you managed to get away with worth the same thoughts about strangers playing over in your head anytime you walk down the street? You might be able to deal with it for a few months, maybe even a few years. But those thoughts will catch up with you and you won't be able to sleep through a night ever again.
Or somebody may just decide to wait until you surface on the clearnet again - even if it takes a year or so for that to happen, and decide that the time is right for retribution.
Despite it's warm, friendly SR exterior, this is still the drug business.
You don't just fuck people in this industry when they have your personal details. For you, I fear the streets have just become a lot more dangerous.
I personally have no interest in this either way, as I've never used your services, but I'm sure somebody who has got a large interest will be keeping an eye on you. Don't forget, on the streets in this business people get killed for amounts as small as £20 just to teach others a lesson, or just for retribution.
You seemed to like to play gangster; unfortunately this is no longer a game for you. The danger you're in is now very real. It's bad for you, it's bad for this community, but it's reality and has to be dealt with as such.
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It seems anyone on an anonymous forum with a high post count is treated like God. A few people with over 1000 posts agreeing on something is like Gospel. Anyone who disagrees is shot down by their disciples.
It does not take that much effort to create multiple handles with over a thousand posts over the course of months to gain widespread credibility. Sure it is time consuming, but the potential to scam is huge. Offering sheets of LSD after a few 'reviews' from these 'trusted' members. The willingness/desperation of some to FE for thousands of dollars is astounding. It encourages this type of behavior.
He cannot be LE as they surely would not be so incompetent as to reveal that many details about his RL. It's crazy because I think Vlad was universally trusted just by being nice, myself included. I also don't believe he set out to scam from the start. He had a monopoly on this and with his high commissions, must have been making a killing, especially if he was used by vendors. From my albeit brief time on SR, it seems that vendor longevity is unsustainable. As it's anonymous, when leaving why fulfill your obligations when so many people are willing to FE. It's like a goodbye bonus for them.
I also worry how many names and addresses of customers are floating around as I'm sure not all vendors delete them. I'm sure some may even see them as bargaining chips as part of a contingency plan if the net tightens.
The main question is, how can you get BTC anonymously in the UK now? The cheapest, quickest and most anonymous way. I need details as it seems cash in the post with anyone is no longer viable. Thanks
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Holy fuck. Why are you all still talking shit? Not one of you is going to do a god damn thing. For fucks sake, if you were going to do something you would already be on your way to commit a murder.
This is an anonymous forum. No one knows who you are. Go murder his ass NSA and stop your crying!
I WANNA SEE BLOOD!
Are you fucking stupid ofc people are not going to kill him that's not what this is about. What the smart people are doing with his info is compiling everything before it was taken down. putting together a nice portfolio and then proceed to send it to his employer/LE
That fucking simple. There's enough evidence linking his real life identity to his online anonymous identity and that's a fucking fact. If you would take time to think before you speak you'd realize this but ofc I know you are not capable of thinking on your own.
Mental midgets should not swim in the deep end.
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I understand what people are worried about re: bringing unnecessary heat to SR by outing scammers.
But what is that saying exactly?
It's saying come on over here and scam whoever the fuck you want, as many times as you want, because no one will out you to your employers for fear of LE focusing on SR.
As if they aren't already focused on taking SR down. Like it would take a scammer for them to really start taking SR seriously. Yeah right...
Come on guys, there are probably whole divisions of LE working to get this place shut down, or put a dent in it.
And what are the people who got scammed supposed to do?
Just suck it up while the scammer rakes it in?
You can't blame people for trying to get their money back.
how does the site encoursge scamming by u not being expected to grass if u get scammed .this site is as hard to get scammed on as theres ever been and the site tells u everywhere not to FE which includes buying coins on here coz u have to FE so u know if u do that theres a risk and if u get scammed u take it like a man amd deffo not go crying to the cops and move on and buy coins in a safer way and never FE .
take a second to think what u did u sent cash in the mail to a random guy who seemed legit and was for a while of course it can go wrong u must of known this ,thats why escrow makes this site what it is so if u go outside it even with current vendors u know what can happen so u have the right to be pissed for a while but not go crying to the cops and shit .do u do that if u get taxed on the street aswell
yes the cops are on here but unless there selling vendors coins they dont have addys linked to them
he did nothing illegal by selling coins ,he stole your drug money WOW the cops really care about that
if u go to cops and say i was trying to buy drugs on a site but u need coins and the guy selling 1 of the only legal things scammed me ,i sent him cash in the post .they will laugh and ask if u won the nigerian lottery aswell .so u basicly want to grass for laundering(if he was ) there for hoping he will have links to vendors and maybe addresses linked to them
what a great idea and u still wont get any money back anyone doing this is a complete knob head and no one should serve them
the only crime he commited is if he was selling vendors coins and the cops will have to prove that and if they can he will end up telling the addresses he sent cash to .
if u all know who he is beat him up but stop talking about going to the cops u need banning if u think that
im quite suprised how many used him didnt think he would get many takers
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Holy fuck. Why are you all still talking shit? Not one of you is going to do a god damn thing. For fucks sake, if you were going to do something you would already be on your way to commit a murder.
This is an anonymous forum. No one knows who you are. Go murder his ass NSA and stop your crying!
I WANNA SEE BLOOD!
Are you fucking stupid ofc people are not going to kill him that's not what this is about. What the smart people are doing with his info is compiling everything before it was taken down. putting together a nice portfolio and then proceed to send it to his employer/LE
That fucking simple. There's enough evidence linking his real life identity to his online anonymous identity and that's a fucking fact. If you would take time to think before you speak you'd realize this but ofc I know you are not capable of thinking on your own.
Mental midgets should not swim in the deep end.
I'm all up in the deep end laid back on my floatie with a margarita enjoying some rays. What you gonna do about it, bitch?
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Uhm HELLO he was processing the proceeds of crime on behalf of Vendors. What laws and regulations does that fall under in the UK? Money laundering, baby.
The scope of 'Money laundering' is wide and he has broke laws in many ways.
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Uhm HELLO he was processing the proceeds of crime on behalf of Vendors. What laws and regulations does that fall under in the UK? Money laundering, baby.
The scope of 'Money laundering' is wide and he has broke laws in many ways.
Deffo money laundering. Deffo illegal.
Don't know whoever said it was legal what he was doing, but they are waaaay off base with it.
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omg!
I've used Vlad a few times.
If I was to scam people, I'd expect to take above £100,0000, You think he got that? I doubt it.
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Uhm HELLO he was processing the proceeds of crime on behalf of Vendors. What laws and regulations does that fall under in the UK? Money laundering, baby.
The scope of 'Money laundering' is wide and he has broke laws in many ways.
money laundering u fukin kidding
no shit i only mentioned it about 5 times but grassing for that means u hope he has links to vendors so makes u a fucking snitch bitch,take it like a man or beat him up. u should really get the fuck off here if u think anyone should do that
u can tell the people who are new to the drugs game and more used to ebay or some shit .no one used to scoring on the streets for years would even consider going to the cops over getting skanked and especially when u send a random guy cash in the post ,u carnt get so pissed at getting scammed sending randoms cash in the post its insane and should be expected at some point so no need for all this grassing bullshit
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omg!
I've used Vlad a few times.
If I was to scam people, I'd expect to take above £100,0000, You think he got that? I doubt it.
What ever he took is hopefully worth the next few years of looking over his shoulder.
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money laundering u fukin kidding
no shit i only mentioned it about 5 times but grassing for that means u hope he has links to vendors so makes u a fucking snitch bitch,take it like a man or beat him up. u should really get the fuck off here if u think anyone should do that
I never said grass.
Thing is though, not everyone sees life through your criminally rose tinted spectacles.
If his employers find out he has been upto no good, they will report him to the police.
a) Because they will be obliged to do so.
b) To protect their own reputation.
Do him over, tell work, harass his family, strong arm him, or directly grass. Either way, plod are going to be interested.
Money laundering attracts higher sentences IRL than drug dealing. Seriously.
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I wonder if the authorities have enough grounds to begin at least a tax investigation into Vlad.
His identity has been established, it's also been established that he trades BTC for cash / bank deposit on the clear net. IP logs, times and dates of transactions and amounts will confirm all of this. Will he declare what he can to now cover his tracks somewhat? Has he gone too far now? He now has a pile of BTC that he can't account for going straight into his own account presumably.
He also fucking stupidly revealed on this forum that he was living on the cash he earned from the cash for BTC exchange he has been operating. A quick review of his lifestyle and outgoings will establish how on earth he has been able to maintain his lifestyle if he hasn't drawn any cash from his bank account linked to legitimate earnings. No doubt the Jersey Revenue will be very interested in that.
The question is are the authorities prepared to go after what IS a small case in the grand scheme of things, in order to obtain a trophy bust? A simple tax investigation could well lead to money laundering suspicions and more leads regarding SR vendors.
Fuck me this boy has a lot on his plate. Angry Vendors, angry customers, perhaps enough information dotted around on the net to at least flag him to authorities and or open an investigation.
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money laundering u fukin kidding
no shit i only mentioned it about 5 times but grassing for that means u hope he has links to vendors so makes u a fucking snitch bitch,take it like a man or beat him up. u should really get the fuck off here if u think anyone should do that
I never said grass.
Thing is though, not everyone sees life through your criminally rose tinted spectacles.
If his employers find out he has been upto no good, they will report him to the police.
a) Because they will be obliged to do so.
b) To protect their own reputation.
Do him over, tell work, harass his family, strong arm him, or directly grass. Either way, plod are going to be interested.
Money laundering attracts higher sentences IRL than drug dealing. Seriously.
that wasnt reply to u punkstar the other guy
i know money laundering is seen as bad as selling the drugs and have mentioned before how the fuck all the coin sellers except bank deposits/cash in mail and openly admit to selling vendors coins crazyness ,even if u do u dont mention it on here
if the clearnet guy is sr vlad i can not believe how slack hes been its unreal ,any vendors who dealt with him should be worried if theyve been slack thinking hes sound
in uk some guys importing unreal amonts of cutting agents for h and coke got sentanced as if they were class A drugs
and its not about my criminal mentally just hating grasses i just dont see what it will achieve when if he gets fuked it could fuck vendors and u wont get your cash back and u should no the risks of going out of escrow so have no right to be so pissed of u think getting vendors with nothing to do with this in trouble and generally causing shit thats not needed is the way to go
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You don't get it lefthandspinner. I'm the person who is constantly telling you it is not right to "rat" on other criminals. It's a tactic we use in this trade to keep ourselves safe. Addicts usually fall for this fairly easy, they are not able to think for themselves. That's why we plant that seed in your head the moment you enter this trade. We don't have morals. In a online case like this there is only one way to get retribution and unfortunately it's like this, oh well. Shit happens. Learn from his mistakes, don't repeat them and move on. You're not gonna make a difference.
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money laundering u fukin kidding
no shit i only mentioned it about 5 times but grassing for that means u hope he has links to vendors so makes u a fucking snitch bitch,take it like a man or beat him up. u should really get the fuck off here if u think anyone should do that
I never said grass.
Thing is though, not everyone sees life through your criminally rose tinted spectacles.
If his employers find out he has been upto no good, they will report him to the police.
a) Because they will be obliged to do so.
b) To protect their own reputation.
Do him over, tell work, harass his family, strong arm him, or directly grass. Either way, plod are going to be interested.
Money laundering attracts higher sentences IRL than drug dealing. Seriously.
that wasnt reply to u punkstar the other guy
i know money laundering is seen as bad as selling the drugs and have mentioned before how the fuck all the coin sellers except bank deposits/cash in mail and openly admit to selling vendors coins crazyness ,even if u do u dont mention it on here
if the clearnet guy is sr vlad i can not believe how slack hes been its unreal ,any vendors who dealt with him should be worried if theyve been slack thinking hes sound
in uk some guys importing unreal amonts of cutting agents for h and coke got sentanced as if they were class A drugs
and its not about my criminal mentally just hating grasses i just dont see what it will achieve when if he gets fuked it could fuck vendors and u wont get your cash back and u should no the risks of going out of escrow so have no right to be so pissed of u think getting vendors with nothing to do with this in trouble and generally causing shit thats not needed is the way to go
Until the guy surfaces, literally or figuratively, or is found swinging from a tree who knows whats going to happen now.
One thing is sure, and that is, if its a scam, he must be punished. Somehow.
I'm sure most folk would agree with this. The danger comes from loose cannons in the community. We don't know the full scale of what he has scammed.
There's much more we don't know about the guy than the stuff we know.
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I understand what people are worried about re: bringing unnecessary heat to SR by outing scammers.
But what is that saying exactly?
It's saying come on over here and scam whoever the fuck you want, as many times as you want, because no one will out you to your employers for fear of LE focusing on SR.
As if they aren't already focused on taking SR down. Like it would take a scammer for them to really start taking SR seriously. Yeah right...
Come on guys, there are probably whole divisions of LE working to get this place shut down, or put a dent in it.
And what are the people who got scammed supposed to do?
Just suck it up while the scammer rakes it in?
You can't blame people for trying to get their money back.
how does the site encoursge scamming by u not being expected to grass if u get scammed .this site is as hard to get scammed on as theres ever been and the site tells u everywhere not to FE which includes buying coins on here coz u have to FE so u know if u do that theres a risk and if u get scammed u take it like a man amd deffo not go crying to the cops and move on and buy coins in a safer way and never FE .
take a second to think what u did u sent cash in the mail to a random guy who seemed legit and was for a while of course it can go wrong u must of known this ,thats why escrow makes this site what it is so if u go outside it even with current vendors u know what can happen so u have the right to be pissed for a while but not go crying to the cops and shit .do u do that if u get taxed on the street aswell
yes the cops are on here but unless there selling vendors coins they dont have addys linked to them
he did nothing illegal by selling coins ,he stole your drug money WOW the cops really care about that
if u go to cops and say i was trying to buy drugs on a site but u need coins and the guy selling 1 of the only legal things scammed me ,i sent him cash in the post .they will laugh and ask if u won the nigerian lottery aswell .so u basicly want to grass for laundering(if he was ) there for hoping he will have links to vendors and maybe addresses linked to them
what a great idea and u still wont get any money back anyone doing this is a complete knob head and no one should serve them
the only crime he commited is if he was selling vendors coins and the cops will have to prove that and if they can he will end up telling the addresses he sent cash to .
if u all know who he is beat him up but stop talking about going to the cops u need banning if u think that
im quite suprised how many used him didnt think he would get many takers
And of course it encourages scamming. Especially with people like you going on about how supposedly hard it is to get scammed.
It's very fucking easy, especially with mods and senior members actively promoting so called 'trusted vendors' with 100% feedback (Exactly likeVlad)
This is the worrying part for me.
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jesus u on about shit on the forum
sr clearly states how not to get scammed u went round this and went on forum reps =your own fault so stop crying and want the cops to help but no doubt u will leave the bit about u wanting it for drugs out
the best thing to come out of anyone grassing will be if cops monitor there future parcels knowing full well why u wanted coins and get u on an international shippment u snakes
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I am a hero member and have referred UK residents of silk road to use vlad to get their bitcoins. I thought he was a stand up guy. I believe that he got in over his head and got scammed in some bitcoin scheme and did the wrong thing by hiding. He should have confessed and tried to pay back as much as possible. He still has that chance but I think he is too afraid to come forward, and now he will live in fear for some time to come. To speculate a bit more... I think he took the last few customers cash that got sent to him in the mail, to pay off the vendors that knew his identity (or would cause the most harm *death*).
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. I thought he was a stand up guy. I believe that he got in over his head and got scammed in some bitcoin scheme
hes no stand up guy,hes a stupid cunt that got greedy,hes in the wriong markets fucking with people on here,the stupid cunt has his real name and info and face etc etc spread all over the clearnet for one and all to see
what a stupid fuckin prick,i hope he gets whats coming to him and i dont mean legally,,,this shit is best kept to the confides of the deepweb,,,,,no point going to the filth,them cunts will do fuck all to help anyone whos out of pocket,,,,funny how his buddy lim has all of a sudden kept his sorry ass off here,,,he normally has an answer for everything
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I am a hero member and have referred UK residents of silk road to use vlad to get their bitcoins. I thought he was a stand up guy. I believe that he got in over his head and got scammed in some bitcoin scheme and did the wrong thing by hiding.
This is what I think happened too.
He should have confessed and tried to pay back as much as possible. He still has that chance but I think he is too afraid to come forward, and now he will live in fear for some time to come. To speculate a bit more... I think he took the last few customers cash that got sent to him in the mail, to pay off the vendors that knew his identity (or would cause the most harm *death*).
He should get over his fear and just come forward. Geez, I'm a reasonable person. I would've waited for him to pay me back.
But he took the dishonest way out. And that leaves people with no other choice except to retaliate.
I would still wait for him to pay me back if he replies to my e-mails. But being taken for a ride pisses everyone off.
Anyone who proclaims to know anything about markets or finance should not get suckered into a ponzi scheme. If they do get suckered in, they are fucking stupid or complicit.
In the city / on wall street, brokers don't give a fuck, because they are insured, they have lawyers and its the clients money. Brokers have incentives to ignore ponzi schemes like commission. They also have protection from the repercussions.
The obviousness of the ponzi was obvious.
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i hear that anonaddict, i have done exactly the same thing. People I have suggested vlad to have had good experienced, none of them got burned, however that doesnt mean he didnt at the end scam people, it just means it probably was not premeditated but for whatever reason he figures an exit strategy needed to be implemented.
goangod - to be fair there is no evidence of limetless and vlad being the same person and there is also nothing to suggest that they were linked in anyway other than these forums. I chatted to vlad often on here, commented on the same threads, mainly because as UK residents we work on the same time zone so accessed the site at the same times, same goes for vlad and limetless as far as i know, but as i said no one has offered any evidence to that end. Plus Limetless appears to take security pretty seriously and it looks like vlad paid lip service to it on the forums but in reality made one of the most basic mistakes he could have, that is using a clearnet handle on the darknet.
punkst0ner - everything is obvious in hindsight
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jesus u on about shit on the forum
sr clearly states how not to get scammed u went round this and went on forum reps =your own fault so stop crying and want the cops to help but no doubt u will leave the bit about u wanting it for drugs out
the best thing to come out of anyone grassing will be if cops monitor there future parcels knowing full well why u wanted coins and get u on an international shippment u snakes
You're the one that's full of shit, and why do you keep going on about this? What fucking difference does it make to you?
You hate people who grass? Well, I fucking hate people who scam other people.
And people who stick up for them.
u do struggle with reading i take it .i arnt sticking up for him just telling u u sent a random guy cash and never even thought 1 day u will get scammed and grassing will just bring shit that is not needed and pointless and people saying the site encourages scammers but u went round the main rule to avoid scams so stick to it and chalk this as a lesson why u follow this rule
i dont hate grasses to the extent u meaning if someone got burgled ring the cops but when u get ripped buying drugs u dont ring them and try get the vendor in trouble while leaving out the bit about u trying to buy drugs on same site and getting them sent its stupid and the cops find people like that as sad as i do
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I am a hero member and have referred UK residents of silk road to use vlad to get their bitcoins. I thought he was a stand up guy. I believe that he got in over his head and got scammed in some bitcoin scheme and did the wrong thing by hiding.
This is what I think happened too.
He should have confessed and tried to pay back as much as possible. He still has that chance but I think he is too afraid to come forward, and now he will live in fear for some time to come. To speculate a bit more... I think he took the last few customers cash that got sent to him in the mail, to pay off the vendors that knew his identity (or would cause the most harm *death*).
He should get over his fear and just come forward. Geez, I'm a reasonable person. I would've waited for him to pay me back.
But he took the dishonest way out. And that leaves people with no other choice except to retaliate.
I would still wait for him to pay me back if he replies to my e-mails. But being taken for a ride pisses everyone off.
Anyone who proclaims to know anything about markets or finance should not get suckered into a ponzi scheme. If they do get suckered in, they are fucking stupid or complicit.
In the city / on wall street, brokers don't give a fuck, because they are insured, they have lawyers and its the clients money. Brokers have incentives to ignore ponzi schemes like commission. They also have protection from the repercussions.
The obviousness of the ponzi was obvious.
Would he really invest the money in his investment scheme in another scheme which paid 1% more than what he was offering?
Doesn't make any sense to me
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Anyone who proclaims to know anything about markets or finance should not get suckered into a ponzi scheme. If they do get suckered in, they are fucking stupid or complicit.
In the city / on wall street, brokers don't give a fuck, because they are insured, they have lawyers and its the clients money. Brokers have incentives to ignore ponzi schemes like commission. They also have protection from the repercussions.
The obviousness of the ponzi was obvious.
His investment service was a ponzi scheme but most of us got bitten for his exchange service.
So calling people 'fucking stupid or complicit' may help you feel fucking superior to everybody who got stung, but it doesn't help anyone.
You do not expect the bank customer to know more than the bank manager.
I was calling vlad "fucking stupid or complicit". No one else.
I feel for your loss dude. As you have stated, senior members and mods encouraged this guy to operate.
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You don't get it lefthandspinner. I'm the person who is constantly telling you it is not right to "rat" on other criminals. It's a tactic we use in this trade to keep ourselves safe. Addicts usually fall for this fairly easy, they are not able to think for themselves. That's why we plant that seed in your head the moment you enter this trade. We don't have morals. In a online case like this there is only one way to get retribution and unfortunately it's like this, oh well. Shit happens. Learn from his mistakes, don't repeat them and move on. You're not gonna make a difference.
haha who is this wierdo ,why would it be right to tell on people u do the same as , i dont hang around with criminals blah blah and am an addict and have never had anyone telling me not to rat u just know it from an early age because u do to others as u want done to yourself and i dont want anyone grassing on me ,why would u u lost money so get as many people in trouble as poss even though u use this site
if u werent an ebay mug in the wrong place you would no most the fucking grasses are junkies like u working for u blue giros so u didnt do a very good job teaching them
more and more wierdos turning up daily on this forum
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Would he really invest the money in his investment scheme in another scheme which paid 1% more than what he was offering?
Doesn't make any sense to me
pirateat40's Ponzi paid out 7% per week, whereas Vlad1m1r was paying out 6% per month.
If he put 100 BTC into pirateat40's Ponzi then in a month he'd get a return of 131.079601 BTC (compounded) and only have to pay out 106 BTC to his investor, making 25.079601 BTC profit for himself.
That's just from one investor putting 100 BTC into his "investment program."
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You don't get it lefthandspinner. I'm the person who is constantly telling you it is not right to "rat" on other criminals. It's a tactic we use in this trade to keep ourselves safe. Addicts usually fall for this fairly easy, they are not able to think for themselves. That's why we plant that seed in your head the moment you enter this trade. We don't have morals. In a online case like this there is only one way to get retribution and unfortunately it's like this, oh well. Shit happens. Learn from his mistakes, don't repeat them and move on. You're not gonna make a difference.
haha who is this wierdo ,why would it be right to tell on people u do the same as , i dont hang around with criminals blah blah and am an addict and have never had anyone telling me not to rat u just know it from an early age because u do to others as u want done to yourself and i dont want anyone grassing on me ,why would u u lost money so get as many people in trouble as poss even though u use this site
if u werent an ebay mug in the wrong place you would no most the fucking grasses are junkies like u working for u blue giros so u didnt do a very good job teaching them
more and more wierdos turning up daily on this forum
yeah, don't understand what half these moitherfuckers are saying
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Would he really invest the money in his investment scheme in another scheme which paid 1% more than what he was offering?
Doesn't make any sense to me
pirateat40's Ponzi paid out 7% per week, whereas Vlad1m1r was paying out 6% per month.
If he put 100 BTC into pirateat40's Ponzi then in a month he'd get a return of 131.079601 BTC (compounded) and only have to pay out 106 BTC to his investor, making 25.079601 BTC profit for himself.
That's just from one investor putting 100 BTC into his "investment program."
Vlad clearly knew what a ponzi scheme was, and that it topples the minute there are no new investors. Therefore Vlad is guilty of fraud. Therefore Vlad is a scammer.
Ammirite?
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i understand u are all well pissed of and if your newish then yes him being friends with lim and him recomending him would make u trust him but the forum isnt the site and dont trust what people say on here ,lim is nothing to do with the site he got that job coz hes here the most
even dealing with real no1 vendors u can still get scammed if u FE and people do 90% of them leave with a scam so if your buying coins or FE early no matter how many sales they have and fans its a risk that the site carnt avoid u basicly agree to take it or find a new vendor without FE or buy coins on legit exchanges
read the tony76 thread if your new and dont trust anything on forums all the scammers have to do is get friendly with lim and they seem to get plenty of coins ,oscar only did it a few weeks before and he was friends with em
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Anyone who proclaims to know anything about markets or finance should not get suckered into a ponzi scheme. If they do get suckered in, they are fucking stupid or complicit.
In the city / on wall street, brokers don't give a fuck, because they are insured, they have lawyers and its the clients money. Brokers have incentives to ignore ponzi schemes like commission. They also have protection from the repercussions.
The obviousness of the ponzi was obvious.
His investment service was a ponzi scheme but most of us got bitten for his exchange service.
So calling people 'fucking stupid or complicit' may help you feel fucking superior to everybody who got stung, but it doesn't help anyone.
You do not expect the bank customer to know more than the bank manager.
I was calling vlad "fucking stupid or complicit". No one else.
I feel for your loss dude. As you have stated, senior members and mods encouraged this guy to operate.
Sorry for going off on you mate
I'm a bit pissed with some people going on about how we should just suck it up.
Thanks for your support btw
No need to apologize dude. I understand your anger.
Vlad needs punishing both for what he has done, and as a warning to others. You should not have to suck it up.
I never dealt with him, although tbh it was the investment program shit that put me off doing any exchange deals with him.
Most people will not have the bottle to come here and say they were scammed. The people owning up to being victims will be a small fraction of the true number.
Any of those people can take action independently.
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Me Me Me, I got scammed. And I'll admit it.
It's because I'm trusting and don't know too much about the financial world. And the guy seemed pretty solid from reviews and from others on the forum. That doesn't make me an idiot, just ignorant and gullible.
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i understand completly why u trusted him i trust a certain vendor who requires anything over $300 ish to FE so i do everytime i score of him but i know if im unlucky and catch him when hes leaving ill get scammed ,im just saying theres no need to do stuff that might get others who used vlad in trouble just to get back at vlad
noriaga i always had to FE and would of lost if i used him when he scammed everyone u just carnt trust anyone and if u FE u need to know u took a gamble and no one can say the site encourages it
bit coins are a nightmare to get annon but u better getting of ebay/bit forum or something than someone on here if u dont want to use a bank ,mtgox does barclays cash deposits but dont use the site through tor
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I am starting a new investment plan! Invest with me and you will get a 0% return every week. I promise that you may even receive a negative return!
May as well invest! I keep it honest!
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Fuck Limiteless! YEAh! 8)
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I wonder if Limetless will come back and bully the crowd into like submission before. I for one really wanted to speak up but I was afraid he'd fuck with my account. I know I'm not the only one.
You have no reason to fear any moderators here, unless you're spamming the forums or otherwise breaking forum rules.
This is a community built around the ideals of freedom of expression and personal sovereignty. If you feel a moderator is abusing the moderator privileges given to him / her, you can take it up with DPR along with the evidence of said abuses.
Speak up on whatever issue you want to. Limetless divides opinion here; some like him, some don't. Going by his posts, I'm personally not a fan, but I've never conversed privately with him so don't know what kind of person he is. The image he presents publicly on the forum may be completely different to the image he maintains in personal communications.
You have no reason to fear him though. If allegations that he's "bullying" the community are found to be true that issue can again be taken up with DPR, if there is evidence of it. From what I've seen though, despite Limetless sometimes being sometimes immature in his reactions, he's never abused his moderator privileges simply because he disagrees with what someone says. He does a very good job at keeping spam to a minimum here (voluntarily, I might add), and at remaining relatively neutral, is generally quite helpful, and at least a little entertaining, though sometimes his responses to some issues or posts can be a tad too much for some.
In short, we are a free community, and bullying or strong-arming by people in moderator's positions won't be tolerated by DPR - he / she has stated their ideals here publicly, and such actions would directly contravene those ideals.
So speak up, and do so without fear of retribution. :)
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Anyway when I would search the forums about cashing out, vlad and lim shut down the discussions. They got together and basically said, if you want to know how to cash out, give lim his 150btc. I thought that was very mafia-esque. Also Lim's overbearing wanna be in a Guy Ritchie persona lead to fanboys who would curry favor and suck up to him. So I felt who knows how he defines being "gangster no.1". He was already trying to monopolize "cashing out". In light of the fact that Vlad is a scammer, that's really messed up.
This is defo not good. If a mod (Lim) who is also a vendor and a person who know how to cash anonymously BTC out, and for this info you need to pay 150 BTC, shut down a treat about cashing BTC anonymously!!!! Then is not a good mod!!
Its like if someone know how to rise/grow a good skunk and like to share here on the forum, and then a mod/vendor who sell skunk delete the treat, because if not he will loose the money!!
Not good at all!!!!
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I wouldn't be surprised if limetless and vlad were the same person, or worked together very closely. It seemed that way from the start. Lots of duplicate accounts here in general, but most of you that matter already knew that.
Hiding cash out methods helps people resolve that the best safest way to cash out is these out of escrow deals. We're scared of getting caught and it's helping us get scammed. Anyway to each his own but it is very difficult figuring out bitcoins and cashing out is a huge problem for vendors. Of course they're going to flock to people that are "trustworthy" on SR.
Very true, and it seems the internet gangstas have been trying to monopolize on this for a while now, especially in the EU. Trust no one with your info. There are other ways to cash out that may require more work, but hard work always pays off in the end.
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I wonder if the authorities have enough grounds to begin at least a tax investigation into Vlad.
His identity has been established, it's also been established that he trades BTC for cash / bank deposit on the clear net. IP logs, times and dates of transactions and amounts will confirm all of this. Will he declare what he can to now cover his tracks somewhat? Has he gone too far now? He now has a pile of BTC that he can't account for going straight into his own account presumably.
He also fucking stupidly revealed on this forum that he was living on the cash he earned from the cash for BTC exchange he has been operating. A quick review of his lifestyle and outgoings will establish how on earth he has been able to maintain his lifestyle if he hasn't drawn any cash from his bank account linked to legitimate earnings. No doubt the Jersey Revenue will be very interested in that.
The question is are the authorities prepared to go after what IS a small case in the grand scheme of things, in order to obtain a trophy bust? A simple tax investigation could well lead to money laundering suspicions and more leads regarding SR vendors.
Fuck me this boy has a lot on his plate. Angry Vendors, angry customers, perhaps enough information dotted around on the net to at least flag him to authorities and or open an investigation.
This.
There's been a lot of ridiculous posts in this thread, from "oh my god don't go to the cops, snitch" to "someone is going to put a hitman out on Vlad".
Since I posted an ultimatum to him yesterday (which I have been advised to extend for a day or two to give him time to make contact), I'll throw my opinion out there:
To those people suggesting we have someone rough him up - I've never heard something so ridiculous. Who the fuck assaults someone over £200? Besides, we might "all be criminals" here (depending on what you're purchasing), but that doesn't mean someone who (for example) buys small amounts of drugs for personal use would be morally okay with assault. Jesus. Personal drug users =/= gangsters.
To those people suggesting we avoid going to LE - Who in the hell said we'd have direct contact with LE OR tell them that we're victims of a scam? All it needs is a tip off in their direction with some of his details to get LE interested enough to make his RL uncomfortable.
He's obviously watching this thread; he's ripped off dealers, buyers and the occasional tweaker - all of whom have proven themselves in real life examples to be less than predictable when wronged.
Nathan - nobody is asking you to "do the right thing" here. People are asking you to look out for yourself, because they know self-preservation is the only thing that will motivate you. And to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone that you've stolen from, with the time necessary to do so is on their way to Jersey right now / already there to find you. After all, you're just a hop, skip and a jump away from most of your customers.
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For the record, I'm being utterly predictable with this. I've been totally honest with how far I'm willing to go. I'm not the sort that is going to turn to violence to get their money. There's no way in hell I'm hopping a boat to Jersey to confront him, either. I'm hoping to appeal to Nathan's sense of self-preservation, but if that doesn't work I'm quite happy to exact retribution. If my stolen money isn't returned to me, then I'll settle for distributing the information I have as widely as possible, making his life uncomfortable and potentially ruining his career, family life, relationships, etc.
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the main problem i have with people bombarding cops with shit about him is they will laught he stole your drug money ,so u want him done for laundering which means u hope they find links between vlad wasing vendors coins who he has maybe linked addys to
so by doing that u may get vendors with nothing to do with this and have lost asweell in serious shit,how can anyone think that right, u all use this site and shouldnt want to do anything to get vendors who have nothing to do with the scam in serious shit and just cause hassel for the site
so beat him up whatever but dont call the cops thats how newbies and topix useers act ,i thought people on here were more bright and realise breaking the main rule doing FE u know your taking a gamble even with tony and noriaga it went scam so when long term members scored of them and FE u no its a gamble and 1 day they will leave and if u score that week u will lose ,u avoided all the site can do to protect u so u dont have the right to be so pissed to try get unrealated vendors in shit
carm down and in a few weeks when youve seen if u stay in escrow it near imposs to get ripped and u will have plenty of future buys and realise it would of been stupid to cause the site/vendors unneccery shit for losing a few 100$.if u venden and dealt with vlad the last thing u need is 100s of pissed of people trying to get a case against him selling your coins
i do feel for u and its bullshit but not worth to cause shit for others coz of this prik
threaten him ring his house ,email whatever try make him fear but dont ring the cops coz he only gets fuked if linked to vendors and le will get the addys they gave vlad
cops main tactic will be selling coins as well so u should remember that ive never used coin sellers everyone is LE or will turn scam ,avoid at all cost
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if u belive everything lim says u belive hes gangster no1 whos whole range of products were illegal 2 years ago he carnt even score week on the street but is gangsta no1 who listenes to mavrik sabre
anyone who listens to mavrik sabre is under 25 and isnt a money cleaner expert or gangsta no1 so dont take antthing u read here literally ,gangstas dont sell legal hight and spent 24/7 on a drug forum
they will be plenty tying to get paly with lim to get a rep and reel u in ,the site tells u dont buy of the coin sellers for a reson carnt stay in escrow
i no u pissed but the vendors will have lost 10 times more and they wont even think of calling the cops and the chances are the cops will take the piss out of u they have bigger launderies tha vlad for fucks sake ,so all u doing is bringing sr up for no reason and the cops will no why u were there and monitor your shit and will cost u in the long run
i do feel for u but honoustly but guys after a few days and a joint im sure u will realize involving cops isnt a good idea
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Lots of fucking snitches in this thread
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A specialist? R u kidding me. With the trail this guys left. A pure amateur who has gotten way out of his depth.
Perhaps so.
It's the small things that these dicks usually fuck up on.
All I can say is that any evidence gathered from a deep infiltration such as what I'm suggesting would be admissible in the English Courts. You can commit crime to investigate crime. Look at the case of PC Mark Kennedy and his undercover work.
You should see the lengths the DWP will go to proving a single mother actually lives with her partner and is claiming benefits fraudulently. There are many more badge carriers in this country than just the police!
One thing vlad did that screamed law enforcement to me was trying to get everyone to use his Tor bridge. That is straight out of fed 101.
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Another thing occurred to me. When everybody was saying vlad was sick or that they hoped he didn't get arrested; People were saying that he wouldn't be arrested because he wasn't a dealer. Limetless came in and really slammed people asserting the criminality of vlad. Meaning: he wanted people to believe he had been arrested. Chances are pretty good that limetless at that time knew he hadn't been arrested. Meaning he wanted people to be deceived because vlad being a scammer makes Lim look like one too. This goes along with the missing posts.
And, regarding the people who are talking about going to LE. You think they aren't reading the forums??? They can google this guy as easily as we can. There's need for snitching, if they want him they know where he is and what he's done.
I wonder if Limetless will come back and bully the crowd into like submission before. I for one really wanted to speak up but I was afraid he'd fuck with my account. I know I'm not the only one.
What I find suspicious is that before I remember Limetless talking about how what vlad does is not money laundering, and then when I said maybe he got busted for money laundering, Limetless seemed to completely change his tune.
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Exactly. So they ganged up and said: you can use Lim or you can use Vlad. Just like Ford said, "you can have any color as long as it's black." Information was being squelched through intimidation.
Had those conversations not been shut down I could have learned sooner how to cash out safely and I wouldn't have been scammed by BTCpal.
When they would shut down this conversation the consensus would go along with the preposterous idea that "we don't discuss cashing out here".
My recollection of those conversations is that it was stated that cashing out methods should not be revealed in a public forum, lest it be revealed to the authorities. I believe this was, and still is, good advice, particularly where vendors are concerned.
Also do we know that Lim isn't deleting posts relating him to Vlad?
Who, precisely, is responsible for deleting these posts has yet to be determined.
Do a search on members for Limet, and you will see that the lsst login was: Last Active: August 27, 2012, 07:42 PM
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I remember vlad and limetless both accusing me of not having a clue regarding anonymous money transfer when I gave suggestions of how to anonymously obtain and cash out bitcoins. They were quite fond of each other and both said the other clearly knows what they are doing whilst I am retarded and my technique is horrible. It was in the same thread where Limetless and Vlad were saying I didn't actually know what money laundering was.
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anyone who listens to mavrik sabre is under 25 and isnt a money cleaner expert or gangsta no1 so dont take antthing u read here literally ,gangstas dont sell legal hight and spent 24/7 on a drug forum
This.
I actually thought Lim/Vlad were LE at first due to the fact that neither of "them" really sold anything illegal. Plus they were trying WAY too hard to win people over on the forums. Like I said, it was probably the same person or group behind both accounts, and they were planning this shit from the start. If you sent a message to their SR accounts, you'd probably see both of them change to "read" at approximately the same time. Plenty of legit vendors with multiple accounts make that mistake as well ;)
Never trust anyone on this site. This is NOT the place to make new friends; be sociable but keep everyone at arm's length. No one here is worth giving your dox to. The people that deserve this information probably know who you are already, because the people that are worth it should know you personally (and vice versa so you know their dox as well).
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Vlad is plain and simple a horrible scamming little cunt, and he looks like a fucking al-Qaeda wannabe!!!!
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I wonder if the authorities have enough grounds to begin at least a tax investigation into Vlad.
His identity has been established, it's also been established that he trades BTC for cash / bank deposit on the clear net. IP logs, times and dates of transactions and amounts will confirm all of this. Will he declare what he can to now cover his tracks somewhat? Has he gone too far now? He now has a pile of BTC that he can't account for going straight into his own account presumably.
He also fucking stupidly revealed on this forum that he was living on the cash he earned from the cash for BTC exchange he has been operating. A quick review of his lifestyle and outgoings will establish how on earth he has been able to maintain his lifestyle if he hasn't drawn any cash from his bank account linked to legitimate earnings. No doubt the Jersey Revenue will be very interested in that.
The question is are the authorities prepared to go after what IS a small case in the grand scheme of things, in order to obtain a trophy bust? A simple tax investigation could well lead to money laundering suspicions and more leads regarding SR vendors.
Fuck me this boy has a lot on his plate. Angry Vendors, angry customers, perhaps enough information dotted around on the net to at least flag him to authorities and or open an investigation.
This.
There's been a lot of ridiculous posts in this thread, from "oh my god don't go to the cops, snitch" to "someone is going to put a hitman out on Vlad".
Since I posted an ultimatum to him yesterday (which I have been advised to extend for a day or two to give him time to make contact), I'll throw my opinion out there:
To those people suggesting we have someone rough him up - I've never heard something so ridiculous. Who the fuck assaults someone over £200? Besides, we might "all be criminals" here (depending on what you're purchasing), but that doesn't mean someone who (for example) buys small amounts of drugs for personal use would be morally okay with assault. Jesus. Personal drug users =/= gangsters.
To those people suggesting we avoid going to LE - Who in the hell said we'd have direct contact with LE OR tell them that we're victims of a scam? All it needs is a tip off in their direction with some of his details to get LE interested enough to make his RL uncomfortable.
He's obviously watching this thread; he's ripped off dealers, buyers and the occasional tweaker - all of whom have proven themselves in real life examples to be less than predictable when wronged.
Nathan - nobody is asking you to "do the right thing" here. People are asking you to look out for yourself, because they know self-preservation is the only thing that will motivate you. And to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone that you've stolen from, with the time necessary to do so is on their way to Jersey right now / already there to find you. After all, you're just a hop, skip and a jump away from most of your customers.
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For the record, I'm being utterly predictable with this. I've been totally honest with how far I'm willing to go. I'm not the sort that is going to turn to violence to get their money. There's no way in hell I'm hopping a boat to Jersey to confront him, either. I'm hoping to appeal to Nathan's sense of self-preservation, but if that doesn't work I'm quite happy to exact retribution. If my stolen money isn't returned to me, then I'll settle for distributing the information I have as widely as possible, making his life uncomfortable and potentially ruining his career, family life, relationships, etc.
I VOTE FOR MURDER! ;D
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So kmf was right about oscar, right about vlad and i seriously hope he isn't right about lim, someone who has been a pillar of the community so to speak. I knew there was something up with vlad as he was very active on the forums but not actually participating in anything illegal. Infact, i remember a post not long ago where vlad ask specifically for people who "weren't drug users" to him out with something and this kind of confirmed for me but he was always so quick to offer help and i didnt wanna repay that by calling him out just incase he was genuine.
Anyway, i havent had a chance to read through the whole thread so could i get a quick update as it sounds like vlads scammed everyone, and there are now some serious suspicions surrounding limetless. looks like the community's is being torn apart from the inside.
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So kmf was right about oscar, right about vlad and i seriously hope he isn't right about lim, someone who has been a pillar of the community so to speak. I knew there was something up with vlad as he was very active on the forums but not actually participating in anything illegal. Infact, i remember a post not long ago where vlad ask specifically for people who "weren't drug users" to him out with something and this kind of confirmed for me but he was always so quick to offer help and i didnt wanna repay that by calling him out just incase he was genuine.
Anyway, i havent had a chance to read through the whole thread so could i get a quick update as it sounds like vlads scammed everyone, and there are now some serious suspicions surrounding limetless. looks like the community's is being torn apart from the inside.
I don't make any accusations against Limetless. Vladimir struck me as untrustworthy, although I was not sure if it was because he was LE (as his 'give me your IP addresses plz' thread indicated), or just someone suffering a bad case of the Dunning–Kruger effect. Honestly I am a bit surprised that he ends up to be a scammer, his behavior was not in line with what I would expect from a scammer. I would expect a scammer in his situation to make something up that would lead to a sudden increase in the amount of money people sent to him, some sort of a sale. Scammers usually exit with an everything must go sale, although him claiming sickness delayed orders is a technique that a scammer would use. So I can really only take credit for knowing that I didn't want anything to do with him. Honestly I did not follow his vending at all, I had no idea he actually sent CIM to vendors, had I known that I would have actually thought much more strongly about him being LE, as he also wanted people to use a Tor bridge he ran. Who has a legitimate reason for collecting IP and mailing addresses of people on SR? In fact I am still thinking his behavior lines up more with law enforcement than a scammer, I find it hard to imagine that someone who is not LE could offer the cash in the mail for bitcoins for drugs service Vlad offered without being arrested very quickly (as I pointed out in his 'use my bridge' thread, although at the time I said even though all of his other services are sketchy and in line with law enforcement agendas, his bitcoin exchange service was not. This was before I knew he was actually sending CIM to vendors though).
Anyway, that rather unexpectedly large explanation aside, Limetless also has done some things that strike me as suspicious. For one he is online on SR far more than I would expect a normal person to be, that rings somewhat of an alarm bell to me simply because it could indicate that he is multiple people managing a single online persona, which could in itself be inline with a shared vendor operation or with a law enforcement account being managed by persona management software. I am reminded of Master Splynter, who was on dark market pretty much all day everyday. However this is not any concrete evidence at all, and a lot of people are on forums every day (although few as much as limetless!). So in short that gives me a gut feeling that is bad, but has no real solid logic behind it. Another thing I find unlikely is that he actually is in the business of selling armored vehicles, but again who knows and although that strikes me as being somewhat off I can not say it indicates he is law enforcement or anything else bad about him. The fact that he was seemingly close to Vladimir also plays a role in circumstantially linking him to sketchy activity, however I am not as certain that they are the same person or conspiring together as some of the others here seem to be. I could believe it either way. I must admit that the thought of him being LE has entered my mind prior to this debacle, but I will be just as quick to say that it is based entirely on gut feelings with no solid proof behind them, certainly it is not enough for me to even claim that I think he is involved in any sketchiness just enough for me to say I wouldn't be surprised if we find out he is.
As far as oscar goes, he was clearly a troll or a fed from the start. Whatever happened with him anyway?
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On the University thread Vlad told Lim, that he had contacted their common friend to protect the innocent man and cut off steels thumb.
By the way they were acting in that thread it looked like they knew each other in RL.
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Now that I think about it, Vlads buddie, Oscar was collecting people's names and address for the college degree scum and Vlad collected IP and mailing addresses.
This sounds more and more like LE.
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So kmf was right about oscar, right about vlad and i seriously hope he isn't right about lim, someone who has been a pillar of the community so to speak. I knew there was something up with vlad as he was very active on the forums but not actually participating in anything illegal. Infact, i remember a post not long ago where vlad ask specifically for people who "weren't drug users" to him out with something and this kind of confirmed for me but he was always so quick to offer help and i didnt wanna repay that by calling him out just incase he was genuine.
Anyway, i havent had a chance to read through the whole thread so could i get a quick update as it sounds like vlads scammed everyone, and there are now some serious suspicions surrounding limetless. looks like the community's is being torn apart from the inside.
I don't make any accusations against Limetless. Vladimir struck me as untrustworthy, although I was not sure if it was because he was LE (as his 'give me your IP addresses plz' thread indicated), or just someone suffering a bad case of the Dunning–Kruger effect. Honestly I am a bit surprised that he ends up to be a scammer, his behavior was not in line with what I would expect from a scammer. I would expect a scammer in his situation to make something up that would lead to a sudden increase in the amount of money people sent to him, some sort of a sale. Scammers usually exit with an everything must go sale, although him claiming sickness delayed orders is a technique that a scammer would use. So I can really only take credit for knowing that I didn't want anything to do with him. Honestly I did not follow his vending at all, I had no idea he actually sent CIM to vendors, had I known that I would have actually thought much more strongly about him being LE, as he also wanted people to use a Tor bridge he ran. Who has a legitimate reason for collecting IP and mailing addresses of people on SR? In fact I am still thinking his behavior lines up more with law enforcement than a scammer, I find it hard to imagine that someone who is not LE could offer the cash in the mail for bitcoins for drugs service Vlad offered without being arrested very quickly (as I pointed out in his 'use my bridge' thread, although at the time I said even though all of his other services are sketchy and in line with law enforcement agendas, his bitcoin exchange service was not. This was before I knew he was actually sending CIM to vendors though).
Anyway, that rather unexpectedly large explanation aside, Limetless also has done some things that strike me as suspicious. For one he is online on SR far more than I would expect a normal person to be, that rings somewhat of an alarm bell to me simply because it could indicate that he is multiple people managing a single online persona, which could in itself be inline with a shared vendor operation or with a law enforcement account being managed by persona management software. I am reminded of Master Splynter, who was on dark market pretty much all day everyday. However this is not any concrete evidence at all, and a lot of people are on forums every day (although few as much as limetless!). So in short that gives me a gut feeling that is bad, but has no real solid logic behind it. Another thing I find unlikely is that he actually is in the business of selling armored vehicles, but again who knows and although that strikes me as being somewhat off I can not say it indicates he is law enforcement or anything else bad about him. The fact that he was seemingly close to Vladimir also plays a role in circumstantially linking him to sketchy activity, however I am not as certain that they are the same person or conspiring together as some of the others here seem to be. I could believe it either way. I must admit that the thought of him being LE has entered my mind prior to this debacle, but I will be just as quick to say that it is based entirely on gut feelings with no solid proof behind them, certainly it is not enough for me to even claim that I think he is involved in any sketchiness just enough for me to say I wouldn't be surprised if we find out he is.
As far as oscar goes, he was clearly a troll or a fed from the start. Whatever happened with him anyway?
Oscar attempted to scam everyone with fake college degrees but only got like 5 people in the end i think lol/
As much as you get flamed kmf your probably the most logical voice of this community. I wanted to call vlad out as very suspicious but seeming he was so helpful i was too emphatic to do so, as it would not have been the right way to repay someone when there was no definite proof of being LE. Also remember his offer to sell android tabs specifically for SR that you promptly shot down? its all starting to really add up and my feeling is more towards LE and less towards scammer. I mean he never even mentioned that he purchased drugs off here and seemed to be only here for the sole purpose of continually offering his cash in the mail service at every opportunity he could get.
Limetless i really want to believe isn't but him going on holiday around the same time as vlads disappearance is suspect indeed, along with the fact that limetless claims he could get anything, yet never sold anything more illegal then a drug that was legal just over a year ago. Surely there is a larger profit margin in harder drugs (he spoke about using and importing these many times) than mepherdrone.
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So kmf was right about oscar, right about vlad and i seriously hope he isn't right about lim, someone who has been a pillar of the community so to speak. I knew there was something up with vlad as he was very active on the forums but not actually participating in anything illegal. Infact, i remember a post not long ago where vlad ask specifically for people who "weren't drug users" to him out with something and this kind of confirmed for me but he was always so quick to offer help and i didnt wanna repay that by calling him out just incase he was genuine.
I'm not a drug user... are you going to add me to that list of suspicious people as well?
Anyway, i havent had a chance to read through the whole thread so could i get a quick update as it sounds like vlads scammed everyone, and there are now some serious suspicions surrounding limetless. looks like the community's is being torn apart from the inside.
I was reading that Aussie gentleman's post, the one where he says his family members are LEA, and he read this confidential report about BTC and Silk Road. The type of tactics LEA would use are infiltration, whereby they gain the community's trust, and gather as much intelligence as they can.. When that has gone as far as it can, they attempt to sow division so as to distrupt the community.
Another tactic used by both military and police are the exploitation of choke points. Right now, the primary choke point both into and out of Silk Road are Bitcoins, or more specifically, the difficulty of obtaining BTC anonymously., and the difficulty of cashing out anonymously. In fact, I see this as their primary locus of attack.
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I ddint know that guru but i dont recall you ever specifically asking for IRL help from people who are non-drug users on a forum almost entirely dedicated to the subject.
Yes ive read that thread aswell and who knows how genuine it is but i guess it comes back to "divide and conquer" remember that thread a few weeks ago?
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Damn, what a thread.
I didn't like the way he took every chance possible to plug his own services, his buy your BTC from me or you'll end up doing time over your half gram in the post line of thinking always irritated me. Seemed like he was always trying to fear people into using him, inflating the risks of other choices, kind of overly pushy. But then again, he had a good rep and people seemed to have good things to say about him so it's still very surprising to see him actually turn scam artist. What goes around comes around, though.
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Someone said they had Vlads place of work. Could you pm it to me. Think I'll give him a wee phone at his work and ask him for my money back.
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If this isn't an intentional divide & conquer, you can be sure the real LE are taking notes.
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I wasn't scammed, but only by sheer luck.
I don't know if anyone's noticed but just googling his name brings up pictures of his face all over google images.
Regardless, it doesn't matter, nobody will do anything, this is all just posturing. In my view this should be a lesson to everyone: Trust no-one here, anonymity brings immunity from guilt, this is a scammer's dreamland. It should also be a lesson that even if he weren't a scammer he was obviously nowhere near as good at security as he lead us to believe. Even the worst of us wouldn't use our usernames here on the rest of the web. The guy's ego obviously wouldn't let him drop his V for Vendetta image that he enjoyed. We all obviously trusted him with the most simple of evidence, that his language led us to believe that he was intelligent. But although he may have been clever, he was obviously naive and lazy. I feel sorry for the vendors, us users are lucky in that we are, although without cash, pretty safe. Because of this, this talk of retribution is in my opinion at best hollow and at worst equally as morally requgnant and threatening to this community as the actions of the Jersey fatman. The only thing left to do is to move on and learn that in future we must assume that all people we have dealings with are compromised and only use them if the process would still protect us even if everything the vendor is saying is lies. (Or at least get as close to this as possible.)
I would like to point anyone who thinks this is arrogance to the top of my post where I show that I include myself in this stupidity and have learnt the lesson myself.
To move on I think it would be good if someone with more experience and organisational skill than my own could start and manage a thread which transfers the negative energy from this thread into a way to get people to find a stable and secure way for people (particularly from the UK) to find a way to get bitcoins. It would be a shame to let the failure of one person and the method they provided to leave so many of us with no viable way to continue on this wonderful site.
Thank-you,
CCF.
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So kmf was right about oscar, right about vlad and i seriously hope he isn't right about lim, someone who has been a pillar of the community so to speak. I knew there was something up with vlad as he was very active on the forums but not actually participating in anything illegal. Infact, i remember a post not long ago where vlad ask specifically for people who "weren't drug users" to him out with something and this kind of confirmed for me but he was always so quick to offer help and i didnt wanna repay that by calling him out just incase he was genuine.
I'm not a drug user... are you going to add me to that list of suspicious people as well?
Anyway, i havent had a chance to read through the whole thread so could i get a quick update as it sounds like vlads scammed everyone, and there are now some serious suspicions surrounding limetless. looks like the community's is being torn apart from the inside.
I was reading that Aussie gentleman's post, the one where he says his family members are LEA, and he read this confidential report about BTC and Silk Road. The type of tactics LEA would use are infiltration, whereby they gain the community's trust, and gather as much intelligence as they can.. When that has gone as far as it can, they attempt to sow division so as to distrupt the community.
Another tactic used by both military and police are the exploitation of choke points. Right now, the primary choke point both into and out of Silk Road are Bitcoins, or more specifically, the difficulty of obtaining BTC anonymously., and the difficulty of cashing out anonymously. In fact, I see this as their primary locus of attack.
Guru
I ddint know that guru but i dont recall you ever specifically asking for IRL help from people who are non-drug users on a forum almost entirely dedicated to the subject.
I don't remember reading that; if I had, I would have thought it weird, at least, or suspicious at worst.
Yes ive read that thread aswell and who knows how genuine it is but i guess it comes back to "divide and conquer" remember that thread a few weeks ago?
I'm sorry, I don't remember that thread. Divide and conquer is a tried-and-true strategy, has been for thousands of years.
Guru
Cant remember exactly what vladimir asked non drug users to help him for,but it was for something to do with his business and was for IRL. It was very suspicious, along with the Tor bridge and android tabs which never surfaced and were going to be have their security verified by oscar lol
the divide and conquer thread was the one where everyone was saying there seems to be people spreading false suspicion about respected members..............kind of like this thread, unfortunately this one seems to be right on the money
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vlad didnt even know that the V mask was a symbol used by anonymous..........sounds like he was very internet savvy
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So kmf was right about oscar, right about vlad and i seriously hope he isn't right about lim, someone who has been a pillar of the community so to speak. I knew there was something up with vlad as he was very active on the forums but not actually participating in anything illegal. Infact, i remember a post not long ago where vlad ask specifically for people who "weren't drug users" to him out with something and this kind of confirmed for me but he was always so quick to offer help and i didnt wanna repay that by calling him out just incase he was genuine.
I'm not a drug user... are you going to add me to that list of suspicious people as well?
Anyway, i havent had a chance to read through the whole thread so could i get a quick update as it sounds like vlads scammed everyone, and there are now some serious suspicions surrounding limetless. looks like the community's is being torn apart from the inside.
I was reading that Aussie gentleman's post, the one where he says his family members are LEA, and he read this confidential report about BTC and Silk Road. The type of tactics LEA would use are infiltration, whereby they gain the community's trust, and gather as much intelligence as they can.. When that has gone as far as it can, they attempt to sow division so as to distrupt the community.
Another tactic used by both military and police are the exploitation of choke points. Right now, the primary choke point both into and out of Silk Road are Bitcoins, or more specifically, the difficulty of obtaining BTC anonymously., and the difficulty of cashing out anonymously. In fact, I see this as their primary locus of attack.
Guru
I ddint know that guru but i dont recall you ever specifically asking for IRL help from people who are non-drug users on a forum almost entirely dedicated to the subject.
I don't remember reading that; if I had, I would have thought it weird, at least, or suspicious at worst.
Yes ive read that thread aswell and who knows how genuine it is but i guess it comes back to "divide and conquer" remember that thread a few weeks ago?
I'm sorry, I don't remember that thread. Divide and conquer is a tried-and-true strategy, has been for thousands of years.
Guru
Cant remember exactly what vladimir asked non drug users to help him for,but it was for something to do with his business and was for IRL. It was very suspicious, along with the Tor bridge and android tabs which never surfaced and were going to be have their security verified by oscar lol
the divide and conquer thread was the one where everyone was saying there seems to be people spreading false suspicion about respected members..............kind of like this thread, unfortunately this one seems to be right on the money
Benno.. I think it was a New Zealand thread If I recall correctly. NZD for BTC in the mail.
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So kmf was right about oscar, right about vlad and i seriously hope he isn't right about lim, someone who has been a pillar of the community so to speak. I knew there was something up with vlad as he was very active on the forums but not actually participating in anything illegal. Infact, i remember a post not long ago where vlad ask specifically for people who "weren't drug users" to him out with something and this kind of confirmed for me but he was always so quick to offer help and i didnt wanna repay that by calling him out just incase he was genuine.
I'm not a drug user... are you going to add me to that list of suspicious people as well?
Anyway, i havent had a chance to read through the whole thread so could i get a quick update as it sounds like vlads scammed everyone, and there are now some serious suspicions surrounding limetless. looks like the community's is being torn apart from the inside.
I was reading that Aussie gentleman's post, the one where he says his family members are LEA, and he read this confidential report about BTC and Silk Road. The type of tactics LEA would use are infiltration, whereby they gain the community's trust, and gather as much intelligence as they can.. When that has gone as far as it can, they attempt to sow division so as to distrupt the community.
Another tactic used by both military and police are the exploitation of choke points. Right now, the primary choke point both into and out of Silk Road are Bitcoins, or more specifically, the difficulty of obtaining BTC anonymously., and the difficulty of cashing out anonymously. In fact, I see this as their primary locus of attack.
Guru
I ddint know that guru but i dont recall you ever specifically asking for IRL help from people who are non-drug users on a forum almost entirely dedicated to the subject.
I don't remember reading that; if I had, I would have thought it weird, at least, or suspicious at worst.
Yes ive read that thread aswell and who knows how genuine it is but i guess it comes back to "divide and conquer" remember that thread a few weeks ago?
I'm sorry, I don't remember that thread. Divide and conquer is a tried-and-true strategy, has been for thousands of years.
Guru
Cant remember exactly what vladimir asked non drug users to help him for,but it was for something to do with his business and was for IRL. It was very suspicious, along with the Tor bridge and android tabs which never surfaced and were going to be have their security verified by oscar lol
the divide and conquer thread was the one where everyone was saying there seems to be people spreading false suspicion about respected members..............kind of like this thread, unfortunately this one seems to be right on the money
Benno.. I think it was a New Zealand thread If I recall correctly. NZD for BTC in the mail.
cheers paddy i think you may infact be correct. if anybody can be fucked searching it you probably should link here
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and he use to give away FUCKLOAD of information about himself on these forums. Assuming he wasn't just spreading disinformation it appeared like he feared absolutely no repercussions from LE.
Also for reasons i cant discuss without revealing too much about myself, i got a feeling Limetless aint coming back either. I realize i cant back this up with any proof but all i can say is think tony76. not exactly the same, but along the same lines.
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Does anyone else find it a bit annoying that the high up's such as DPR aren't saying anything on this. You'd think such a big issue would get some kind of response, even just a "Yeah guy's we're pretty pissed off too, you have our sympathies".
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I'm sorry guys but would a member of law enforcement use the same moniker here as he uses IRL and ask people to send money to his address?
That connection is the reason it was so easy to find him.
He has tried to remove every trace linking his username 'Vlad1m1r' to his real name.
@Guru I'm not disputing LE tactics, I'm sure you're right, but I don't think Vlad falls into this category.
Besides, if he is LE, it's the vendors who should be worried.
People who exchanged money with him never gave out names/address - unless someone wrote a return address on their envelope.
It seems that if he actually was LE that he would not scam people. Why burn an intelligence gathering asset? So I do not know what to think really. His behavior does not strike me as something a scammer would do unless he is utterly incompetent at scamming, I mean why no go out with an everything must go sale or similar? His previous behavior strongly indicated to me that he was possibly LE, but I can not imagine that LE would burn their ability to further gather vendor addresses by scamming with their pseudonym. It may have taken a lot longer to link arrests to people who used vlads service, than it would take for people to stop using his service because he scammed everyone.
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It's crazy how much info I can find on that cunt! Especially for someone who seemingly concerned with security and anonymity.
Just 10 mins on Google armed with the name the cash was delivered to and his SilkRoad persona and you could find professional profiles, blogs and even his Facebook page. Lol. What a fucking joke ;D The fact that this information was so easy to find makes me believe, as someone else said, he was a victim of scam himself and took the opportunity to recoup. It just seems a bit impromptu to me.
I can bet that most of the stuff he was going on about in the forums was the result of Googling and writing up what he has found as if he was plagiarizing a school assignment. His actions simply don't match up with the supposed knowledge he had on subjects regarding anonymity and security. Unless he is just throwing us a red herring. ;)
I actually do remember seeing that thread on Vlad1m1r and his TOR bridges. I believe this was more his ignorance on anything regarding anonymity shining through. Just like when he recommended running as a TOR Exit for better anonymity.
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Ben, I searched, looks like it's been deleted. But I specifically remember reading that thread.
Re: the Google search of his name, I cannot be fucked looking him up, too tired. But, whoever did, did his clearnet pages look like they were regularly updated, or just created as another 'red herring'?
Apparently someone has called his workplace... (read in another thread). Someone else wants to travel to the Jersey address!
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Ben, I searched, looks like it's been deleted. But I specifically remember reading that thread.
Re: the Google search of his name, I cannot be fucked looking him up, too tired. But, whoever did, did his clearnet pages look like they were regularly updated, or just created as another 'red herring'?
Apparently someone has called his workplace... (read in another thread). Someone else wants to travel to the Jersey address!
and so can i so that is two of us. the fact it has been deleted is even weirder. seriously wtf is going on????? and where the fuck are the admins and old mods. You would think lim could at least log on once or twice from his "holiday" just to keep an eye on business.
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It seems that if he actually was LE that he would not scam people. Why burn an intelligence gathering asset? So I do not know what to think really. His behavior does not strike me as something a scammer would do unless he is utterly incompetent at scamming, I mean why no go out with an everything must go sale or similar? His previous behavior strongly indicated to me that he was possibly LE, but I can not imagine that LE would burn their ability to further gather vendor addresses by scamming with their pseudonym. It may have taken a lot longer to link arrests to people who used vlads service, than it would take for people to stop using his service because he scammed everyone.
My thoughts on this issue, for what it's worth, are that Vlad1m1r was investing in pirateat40's scheme using his "investment program" - he was offering 6% per month whereas pirateat40 was paying out 7% per week; as obviously unsustainable as that obviously was, he suckered a lot of people out of a lot of money.
So this has recently come crashing down, with pirateat40 running off with 500K BTC, including any BTC belonging to his "investors" that Vlad1m1r put into it. It's my guess that he's using the cash he received in the mail to either pay off any vendors that gave him money for this scheme, or else closed up shop after pirateat40 ran away with his BTC and he decided to salvage what he could by taking any cash-in-the-mail money that he could get his hands on.
Does anyone else find it a bit annoying that the high up's such as DPR aren't saying anything on this. You'd think such a big issue would get some kind of response, even just a "Yeah guy's we're pretty pissed off too, you have our sympathies".
Why would DPR weigh in here? It's nothing to do with him / her. Why would they have any sympathy for people who Finalize Early and lose their money as a resuly despite the numerous warnings not to do so? This isn't a big issue. It's just another scam in the long history of scams we've experienced here, all of which have been made possible by people willing to give their money to anonymous people over the internet in the hopes that the other party will keep up their end of the bargain, without the protecton of escrow.
If anything, this simply proves that the system works. Stop buying your BTC over SR. I've spent over $8000 here and I haven't been scammed once; I also buy my BTC from reputable, traceable traders.
Stop going out of escrow. Stop buying BTC over SR. Stop complaining when money is lost despite systems being put in place to prevent that very thing from happening.
It's incredibly simple; I honestly don't know how so many manage to get scammed here. Use common sense. Would you give money to an anonymous person on the street after they promise to send you some drugs?! Of course you wouldn't, so don't do it here.
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Wow, this thread is interesting and very surprising to see how the whole thing is unfolding.
My paranoia about the whole thing is getting the better of me, and I feel there is something very sinister going on. I searched the name Vlad1m1r in the clearnet today and then realised that loads of other people from here are doing the same thing.
Am I wrong in thinking that it may not be a good idea to be searching for him on the clearnet at this time? I was thinking that if it was LE, that by having people search for Vlad1m1r on clearnet (1 good reason to use the same name on here as the clear net), it would give possible locations of people on here. Maybe I am over thinking the whole thing, but I am puzzled by the whole Vlad/Limetless disappearing at the same time thing.
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Ben, I searched, looks like it's been deleted. But I specifically remember reading that thread.
Re: the Google search of his name, I cannot be fucked looking him up, too tired. But, whoever did, did his clearnet pages look like they were regularly updated, or just created as another 'red herring'?
Apparently someone has called his workplace... (read in another thread). Someone else wants to travel to the Jersey address!
and so can i so that is two of us. the fact it has been deleted is even weirder. seriously wtf is going on????? and where the fuck are the admins and old mods. You would think lim could at least log on once or twice from his "holiday" just to keep an eye on business.
Ben, with all due respect, the point of going on holiday is to get as far away from business as one can. One of the drawbacks of technology is that it essentially puts everyone on a short leash, so to speak. Some employers expect their employees to participate in conference calls, virtual meetings and the like on their days off. It's almost to the point that there's no escape anymore. People have to have time off; they have to be able to get away once in a while.
Guru
I am totally sure that if I was "away on holiday" and I was being called out in this manner on a forum where I moderate, I would find out for sure and I would come out of the woodwork, even if it was just to post a one-liner of reassurance.
I would especially so if it happened to be a site where I ran a business too. What would it take? Perhaps two minutes of my time.
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yeah he made a thread about why were people enquiring if he was a member of anonymous when he changed his avatar to the V mask.
As for lim like ive said, i really really really hope everything im saying is 100% incorrect, but the suspicions raised are valid and there was something personal just before he left that now makes me suspect that it was goodbye from Limetless.
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just google vlad using Tor browser. LE IP problems solved. tor doesnt just work for .onion sites i hope everyone realises?
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just google vlad using Tor browser. LE IP problems solved. tor doesnt just work for .onion sites i hope everyone realises?
I didn't know that at all. Thanks for the tip ;)
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Ben, I searched, looks like it's been deleted. But I specifically remember reading that thread.
Re: the Google search of his name, I cannot be fucked looking him up, too tired. But, whoever did, did his clearnet pages look like they were regularly updated, or just created as another 'red herring'?
Apparently someone has called his workplace... (read in another thread). Someone else wants to travel to the Jersey address!
I was joking about the red herring. :P It's quite obvious who he is considering all the 'evidence' we have! It's just mind boggling that someone of that intelligence could be so careless.
His YouTube account displays Aug 17 as last activity and the date he joined YouTube is Dec 3, 2007.
I would be shitting my pants if I was Vlad1m1r. Or shall I say... Nathan. :P
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Just had to re-write my reply.
If the evidence is that heavy against him (i.e he really is 'Nathan'), i'd be shitting it, too.
;D
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Its only a matter of time, you could be talking days, it could even have happened by now, that LE knock on his door. Shit he could even go to the cops himself. The trail this guys left and the information flying around about his business practices is just unbelievable. This guy would flip in a second to save his own skin. This mess could get a whole lot messier.
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Its only a matter of time, you could be talking days, it could even have happened by now, that LE knock on his door. Shit he could even go to the cops himself. The trail this guys left and the information flying around about his business practices is just unbelievable. This guy would flip in a second to save his own skin. This mess could get a whole lot messier.
I wonder where he went today when he took this afternoon off work??
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just google vlad using Tor browser. LE IP problems solved. tor doesnt just work for .onion sites i hope everyone realises?
It's fucking exaggerated to research vlad via TOR due to anonymity problems. LE won't observe google to catch all the people who searches for "vladimir". WTF!
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He's royally fucked. Cant see how he is gonna get out of this shit storm.
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He's royally fucked. Cant see how he is gonna get out of this shit storm.
Paying back those he had defrauded would be a good start. ;D
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He's royally fucked. Cant see how he is gonna get out of this shit storm.
Paying back those he had defrauded would be a good start. ;D
There is no chance I, or anyone else is gonna get their cash back.
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He's royally fucked. Cant see how he is gonna get out of this shit storm.
Paying back those he had defrauded would be a good start. ;D
There is no chance I, or anyone else is gonna get their cash back.
In that case, you are right. He is royally fucked.
Who else is involved though, that has to be a serious question now.
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He probably took off work after I spent all morning faxing a shitload of evidence against him to there.
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He probably took off work after I spent all morning faxing a shitload of evidence against him to there.
Wow. I hope your kidding.
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No, I'm not kidding. This is what happens when you slip up and you scam.
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Nah man you've got to be joking. No one could be that stupid.
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I know what I'm doing. No way this will be linked to me.
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I'm also working on making letters to send to his family.
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I couldn't give a flying fuck if it was linked to you. Dude you are an imbecile of the highest order.
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I couldn't give a flying fuck if it was linked to you. Dude you are an imbecile of the highest order.
Well, don't scam people with a name easily traced to you. Someone has to teach these guys a lesson or they will keep coming back.
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If the guy who was getting busy with the fax machine is telling the truth, i think nathan was probably suspended.
They are not gonna tell random callers that though.
Inb4 shitstorm, grasses and antigrasses.
or maybe not...
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Just curious, did no one think to google his name at all? Ever? I mean, when I'm suspicious of someone, I usually try to ID them....maybe that's just me.
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What's his name?
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I couldn't give a flying fuck if it was linked to you. Dude you are an imbecile of the highest order.
Well, don't scam people with a name easily traced to you. Someone has to teach these guys a lesson or they will keep coming back.
You're worse than Vlad in my eyes you brainless doss cunt .
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You think I care how my character appears to you? I have no morals.
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Everybody does realize that spacecase is BossHogg right?
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I am not bosshogg but that guy is hilarious, great guy!
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Just curious, did no one think to google his name at all? Ever? I mean, when I'm suspicious of someone, I usually try to ID them....maybe that's just me.
I didn't think of it, because he never said anything that I saw, at least, that really raised alarm bells with me.
I am certainly going to treat this as a lesson learned. I've always had the liberty to be slightly cavalier with people, because my ass is armour-plated -- I have very few worries about anyone coming after me. For starters, I don't screw people over, rip 'em off, or break the law. Despite that, though, I have tried to cover my ass thoroughly, and I believe I have succeeded. (If anyone wants to take a crack at me, please by my guest.)
Guru
Not trying to start shit with you but I'm curious. What brings you here if you're not interested in drugs? If you don't mind sharing ofc.
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Just curious, did no one think to google his name at all? Ever? I mean, when I'm suspicious of someone, I usually try to ID them....maybe that's just me.
I didn't think of it, because he never said anything that I saw, at least, that really raised alarm bells with me.
I am certainly going to treat this as a lesson learned. I've always had the liberty to be slightly cavalier with people, because my ass is armour-plated -- I have very few worries about anyone coming after me. For starters, I don't screw people over, rip 'em off, or break the law. Despite that, though, I have tried to cover my ass thoroughly, and I believe I have succeeded. (If anyone wants to take a crack at me, please by my guest.)
Guru
Neither did I ("I didn't think of it, because he never said anything that I saw, at least, that really raised alarm bells with me."), I'm talking about the people who were a tad sketched out by him. I never had contact with him nor did I bother reading threads with him in them for the most part. I'm simply saying that if someone is suspicious of another forum member, why not take the time to do a little research?
Well, there would be no reason for someone to try and sniff your trail, you're not a dick :) lol. While I'm usually suspicious of everyone, I do trust some on here to an extent, and Guru you seem like a fine lad to me. If you want I can try later, but Guru is a very generic name, so in that sense you should be relatively safe from most people.
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wow, cant believe vlad scammed people like this...good thing he decided to just before i was about to buy my first lot of bitcoins off him! i feel for the people that got their money taken though. scammers are the worst kind of people, he must be massively regretting this by now
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If you look back on prev posts, you will see that Lim and Vlad did not even know each other, nor were aware of each others financial backgrounds, I think it was actually me that told Lim about Vlads financial sector work! I'm not even sure how he's been brought into this...
The same paranoid slagging goes off every time a scammer strikes! Ignore Chinese whispers!
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If you look back on prev posts, you will see that Lim and Vlad did not even know each other, nor were aware of each others financial backgrounds, I think it was actually me that told Lim about Vlads financial sector work! I'm not even sure how he's been brought into this...
The same paranoid slagging goes off every time a scammer strikes! Ignore Chinese whispers!
You're forgetting that we logged his posts before they were deleted which say otherwise.
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I think they just 'knew' each other because they lived in the same country and thus were online a lot on at the same times, posting in the same threads.
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He barely made a few months more pay.
:)
nomad
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"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
DAMN batman, you work on so many levels....
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I've stayed out of this till now but these are my observations. Both "Vlad" and "Limitless" came across to me as little boys trying to play gangsters. I never had any contact with either but read a lot of their posts. You know the expression "a little information in the wrong hands is dangerous".
It's also possible that "Vlad" is LE, the trail he left was very blatant for someone who claimed to know so much about security, be weary of visiting his former youtube, facebook accounts outside of tor.
If he's not LE then I'm certain "Vlad" will grass. Either way take the necessary precautions.
I doubt vlad was LE but after realizing how easy it was to find him, I know LE would have had just as easy of a time locating him and possibly using him as a CI. If anything he may have been helping them out to get of trouble himself.
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OK, lets straighten some stuff out people.
Vlad and Limetless are not linked by anything other than this forum and by being vendors on the Road, same could be said for many people. Just because they come from the same country doesn't mean shit. If you think you have proof to the contrary post it or GTFO.
Vlad scammed people, probably not premeditated and probably because his investment scheme went tits up. It appears as if the huge ponzi he was investing in was falling to pieces, the person running it basically said anyone who was running one of these schemes of collecting other peoples BTC and investing them would need to turn over ID and details of their clients so the original guy could pay them back directly. Well i am guessing Vlad assumed his clients from SR were never going to agree to that and that ulitimately they would not get their BTC back so he had to cut and run, as part of that he just kept the last few cash orders that were sent to him.
He is NOT LE, he made some reference to his job requiring him to work with LE on occasion and he had had some run ins with them, his general opinion was that they were idiots.
It looks like he was a BTC seller on the bitcointalk forums, which is where he probably got involved with the BTC Savings and Loan ponzi run by pirate@40. He then attempted to branch out into other services he could offer to SR users, such as Tor Bridges and fake college diplomas however I think he was in over his head with everything he suggested.
As for the retribution of contacting his work etc, well if the police get involved then he could potentially cause trouble for some buyers who sent him cash and any vendors that sold him BTC, given his current position he is more likely to help LE to get the harassment to stop as he evidently cannot repay people.
I would ask if anyone who sent him cash for BTC could confirm the name it was sent to, was it Nathan Jordan or was it another name, as i understand it they were sent to Jersey which is where this guy is located.
He talked a lot of shit about having a bank account set up and when you sent him cash he purchased them from mt gox and credited them to whatever wallet address you sent him. Given that he had adverts on bitcoin forums to sell BTC at mt/ gox + 10% I assume he didnt actually use Mt Gox but actually had BTC on hand, either through his investment scheme earnings or early mining etc, essentially he was just cashing out.
Others have mentioned he may have helped vendors cash out, essentially using their coins to fill the cash orders but taking 10% from the buyer and perhaps 10% from the vendor too.
Either way this is done now, nothing to be gained from any further bullshitting in this thread.
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OK, lets straighten some stuff out people.
Vlad and Limetless are not linked by anything other than this forum and by being vendors on the Road, same could be said for many people. Just because they come from the same country doesn't mean shit. If you think you have proof to the contrary post it or GTFO.
Vlad scammed people, probably not premeditated and probably because his investment scheme went tits up. It appears as if the huge ponzi he was investing in was falling to pieces, the person running it basically said anyone who was running one of these schemes of collecting other peoples BTC and investing them would need to turn over ID and details of their clients so the original guy could pay them back directly. Well i am guessing Vlad assumed his clients from SR were never going to agree to that and that ulitimately they would not get their BTC back so he had to cut and run, as part of that he just kept the last few cash orders that were sent to him.
He is NOT LE, he made some reference to his job requiring him to work with LE on occasion and he had had some run ins with them, his general opinion was that they were idiots.
It looks like he was a BTC seller on the bitcointalk forums, which is where he probably got involved with the BTC Savings and Loan ponzi run by pirate@40. He then attempted to branch out into other services he could offer to SR users, such as Tor Bridges and fake college diplomas however I think he was in over his head with everything he suggested.
As for the retribution of contacting his work etc, well if the police get involved then he could potentially cause trouble for some buyers who sent him cash and any vendors that sold him BTC, given his current position he is more likely to help LE to get the harassment to stop as he evidently cannot repay people.
I would ask if anyone who sent him cash for BTC could confirm the name it was sent to, was it Nathan Jordan or was it another name, as i understand it they were sent to Jersey which is where this guy is located.
He talked a lot of shit about having a bank account set up and when you sent him cash he purchased them from mt gox and credited them to whatever wallet address you sent him. Given that he had adverts on bitcoin forums to sell BTC at mt/ gox + 10% I assume he didnt actually use Mt Gox but actually had BTC on hand, either through his investment scheme earnings or early mining etc, essentially he was just cashing out.
Others have mentioned he may have helped vendors cash out, essentially using their coins to fill the cash orders but taking 10% from the buyer and perhaps 10% from the vendor too.
Either way this is done now, nothing to be gained from any further bullshitting in this thread.
LOL, This is far from done, bud. It's just getting started.
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OK, lets straighten some stuff out people.
Vlad and Limetless are not linked by anything other than this forum and by being vendors on the Road, same could be said for many people. Just because they come from the same country doesn't mean shit. If you think you have proof to the contrary post it or GTFO.
Vlad scammed people, probably not premeditated and probably because his investment scheme went tits up. It appears as if the huge ponzi he was investing in was falling to pieces, the person running it basically said anyone who was running one of these schemes of collecting other peoples BTC and investing them would need to turn over ID and details of their clients so the original guy could pay them back directly. Well i am guessing Vlad assumed his clients from SR were never going to agree to that and that ulitimately they would not get their BTC back so he had to cut and run, as part of that he just kept the last few cash orders that were sent to him.
He is NOT LE, he made some reference to his job requiring him to work with LE on occasion and he had had some run ins with them, his general opinion was that they were idiots.
It looks like he was a BTC seller on the bitcointalk forums, which is where he probably got involved with the BTC Savings and Loan ponzi run by pirate@40. He then attempted to branch out into other services he could offer to SR users, such as Tor Bridges and fake college diplomas however I think he was in over his head with everything he suggested.
As for the retribution of contacting his work etc, well if the police get involved then he could potentially cause trouble for some buyers who sent him cash and any vendors that sold him BTC, given his current position he is more likely to help LE to get the harassment to stop as he evidently cannot repay people.
I would ask if anyone who sent him cash for BTC could confirm the name it was sent to, was it Nathan Jordan or was it another name, as i understand it they were sent to Jersey which is where this guy is located.
He talked a lot of shit about having a bank account set up and when you sent him cash he purchased them from mt gox and credited them to whatever wallet address you sent him. Given that he had adverts on bitcoin forums to sell BTC at mt/ gox + 10% I assume he didnt actually use Mt Gox but actually had BTC on hand, either through his investment scheme earnings or early mining etc, essentially he was just cashing out.
Others have mentioned he may have helped vendors cash out, essentially using their coins to fill the cash orders but taking 10% from the buyer and perhaps 10% from the vendor too.
Either way this is done now, nothing to be gained from any further bullshitting in this thread.
His investment "scheme" was destined to go tits up. That's the only possible outcome for a ponzi scheme.
He knew what a ponzi scheme was, he knew what the only possible outcome could be.
Sorry, but I really do wish people would stop apologizing for this guy, and trying to excuse what he did.
"probably not premeditated"
Sorry UKMJ. I don't agree. We shall see if your right about your other assertion in due course.
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OK, lets straighten some stuff out people.
Vlad and Limetless are not linked by anything other than this forum and by being vendors on the Road, same could be said for many people. Just because they come from the same country doesn't mean shit. If you think you have proof to the contrary post it or GTFO.
Vlad scammed people, probably not premeditated and probably because his investment scheme went tits up. It appears as if the huge ponzi he was investing in was falling to pieces, the person running it basically said anyone who was running one of these schemes of collecting other peoples BTC and investing them would need to turn over ID and details of their clients so the original guy could pay them back directly. Well i am guessing Vlad assumed his clients from SR were never going to agree to that and that ulitimately they would not get their BTC back so he had to cut and run, as part of that he just kept the last few cash orders that were sent to him.
He is NOT LE, he made some reference to his job requiring him to work with LE on occasion and he had had some run ins with them, his general opinion was that they were idiots.
It looks like he was a BTC seller on the bitcointalk forums, which is where he probably got involved with the BTC Savings and Loan ponzi run by pirate@40. He then attempted to branch out into other services he could offer to SR users, such as Tor Bridges and fake college diplomas however I think he was in over his head with everything he suggested.
As for the retribution of contacting his work etc, well if the police get involved then he could potentially cause trouble for some buyers who sent him cash and any vendors that sold him BTC, given his current position he is more likely to help LE to get the harassment to stop as he evidently cannot repay people.
I would ask if anyone who sent him cash for BTC could confirm the name it was sent to, was it Nathan Jordan or was it another name, as i understand it they were sent to Jersey which is where this guy is located.
He talked a lot of shit about having a bank account set up and when you sent him cash he purchased them from mt gox and credited them to whatever wallet address you sent him. Given that he had adverts on bitcoin forums to sell BTC at mt/ gox + 10% I assume he didnt actually use Mt Gox but actually had BTC on hand, either through his investment scheme earnings or early mining etc, essentially he was just cashing out.
Others have mentioned he may have helped vendors cash out, essentially using their coins to fill the cash orders but taking 10% from the buyer and perhaps 10% from the vendor too.
Either way this is done now, nothing to be gained from any further bullshitting in this thread.
I think its fair to say that everyone here hopes for all hell that lim isnt LE or involved with vlad but the issues need to be addressed and we cannot ignore them. Just like we can never say for sure that anyone on an anonymous online forum is or isnt LE. Could you say for sure that DPR isnt LE? Maybe he is and this is a honeypot, Maybe he is and he hates the War on Drugs so much that his set this place up as a protest and as an example of what could be done. or maybe everything is as it seems.The Only thing everyone can do is stay vigilante and careful about what you do, say and most importantly,who you trust.
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OK, lets straighten some stuff out people.
Vlad and Limetless are not linked by anything other than this forum and by being vendors on the Road, same could be said for many people. Just because they come from the same country doesn't mean shit. If you think you have proof to the contrary post it or GTFO.
Vlad scammed people, probably not premeditated and probably because his investment scheme went tits up. It appears as if the huge ponzi he was investing in was falling to pieces, the person running it basically said anyone who was running one of these schemes of collecting other peoples BTC and investing them would need to turn over ID and details of their clients so the original guy could pay them back directly. Well i am guessing Vlad assumed his clients from SR were never going to agree to that and that ulitimately they would not get their BTC back so he had to cut and run, as part of that he just kept the last few cash orders that were sent to him.
He is NOT LE, he made some reference to his job requiring him to work with LE on occasion and he had had some run ins with them, his general opinion was that they were idiots.
It looks like he was a BTC seller on the bitcointalk forums, which is where he probably got involved with the BTC Savings and Loan ponzi run by pirate@40. He then attempted to branch out into other services he could offer to SR users, such as Tor Bridges and fake college diplomas however I think he was in over his head with everything he suggested.
As for the retribution of contacting his work etc, well if the police get involved then he could potentially cause trouble for some buyers who sent him cash and any vendors that sold him BTC, given his current position he is more likely to help LE to get the harassment to stop as he evidently cannot repay people.
I would ask if anyone who sent him cash for BTC could confirm the name it was sent to, was it Nathan Jordan or was it another name, as i understand it they were sent to Jersey which is where this guy is located.
He talked a lot of shit about having a bank account set up and when you sent him cash he purchased them from mt gox and credited them to whatever wallet address you sent him. Given that he had adverts on bitcoin forums to sell BTC at mt/ gox + 10% I assume he didnt actually use Mt Gox but actually had BTC on hand, either through his investment scheme earnings or early mining etc, essentially he was just cashing out.
Others have mentioned he may have helped vendors cash out, essentially using their coins to fill the cash orders but taking 10% from the buyer and perhaps 10% from the vendor too.
Either way this is done now, nothing to be gained from any further bullshitting in this thread.
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This 100%
I can confirm that the name and address I had to send it to was:
N. Jordan
Flat 23
Albert Place
St. Helier
Jersey
Channel Islands
JE2 4EA
One more thing to add. I've been around the block a fair bit...been scammed, ripped off with drugs and money from time to time in the past...it goes with territory. When you're dealing with illegal activities like drugs and criminals it's par for the course. Anybody who thinks they're getting their money back is a fucking imbecile...deluded. It's fucking gone...get over it. It's like getting mugged on the street by a knife-wielding crackhead and demanding he gives you your money back because it just isn't bloody fair!
We were sending cash to a random guy who we'd never met through the mail and trusting him to convert hundreds if not thousands of pounds worth of cash into Bitcoins for us...Lol. You pays your money you takes your chance. There's always an element of risk involved...some you win...some you lose. We lost. I lost.
Best chalk this one down to experience chaps and move on. ::)
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Wow, this thread is interesting and very surprising to see how the whole thing is unfolding.
My paranoia about the whole thing is getting the better of me, and I feel there is something very sinister going on. I searched the name Vlad1m1r in the clearnet today and then realised that loads of other people from here are doing the same thing.
Am I wrong in thinking that it may not be a good idea to be searching for him on the clearnet at this time? I was thinking that if it was LE, that by having people search for Vlad1m1r on clearnet (1 good reason to use the same name on here as the clear net), it would give possible locations of people on here. Maybe I am over thinking the whole thing, but I am puzzled by the whole Vlad/Limetless disappearing at the same time thing.
Exactly. I was going to say as much. The string "Vlad1m1r " must be relatively unique. Any keyboard warrior performing a dox on clearnet has fucked their security. This could be a LE ploy. Certainly a whole lot of fanning the flames going on in this thread.
Irate people tend to be more impulsive. Impulsive people are a danger to themselves and others which is why I never work with anybody who has a habitual temper or a severe emotional issue under any circumstances. Anger is the worst, followed by histrionics and over confidence. Depression and anxiety, while negative, don't come anywhere close to those three mental afflictions because they usually dampen risk seeking behaviors. Such people remind me of dogs who bite or those dreadful yappy chihuahuas (I should make very tiny discrete muzzles for those little dogs, I'd make a fortune).
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My thoughts on these events:
It is too premature to say whether Vlad is a scammer, a LE agent, a busted SR vendor or a CI. It is also quite possible that Vladamir is trying to come good for those out of pocket at the moment. It could be just a matter of being patient. Perhaps he is a decent fellow that has run into some bad luck as a result of poor judgement. A seemingly remote possibility right now perhaps, but it is one nonetheless.
I did make SR Staff (nomad bloodbath can confirm this) aware of some peculiarities about some of the things Vlad posted in the past and even asked him to personally answer questions about these oddities, but there was never any evidence against him to take an action. In fact it would have been inappropriate for SR Staff to take any actions regardless of how this turns out. I mean, if being mistaken about a technicality or proper procedure is a crime, then half of SR's forum would be getting the boot. You can't ask perfection of people, not when they are learning. This is not North Korea!
I note that experienced trolls and others who use personas as a job or hobby are more than adept collecting 'alts' (alias shopping) based on real people online. This fosters the impression of validity, but is no guarantee of it at all. You can use a real persona and then build additional details on top of it to make the transformation convincing. This information you are finding online could be the real person, but probably it is not. Although some newbies are lax with security on SR and choose an alias they also use on clearnet, the majority of the time this is total junk. Indeed if you are LE, then manufacturing an entire personality that appears to be well documented online is simple. Things like 'join dates' and distribution of activity can all be manipulated since they are merely text strings and you never witnessed their actual inception over time. Anybody can read a script for a YouTube video.
I notice that you cannot view a flash video on the Tor network without threatening your security. There is no reasonable way to view flash over Tor without it possibly compromising you. You have to undo some settings if you wanted that to work. So I expect the people who watched that video did so on clearnet. Tell me, does this video have single/double digit views? Because if so you had better lie low, remove electronics and contraband from your dwelling etc for a while.
If grahamgreene is correct about the pyramid scheme (I have zero sympathy for anybody willingly involved in such things), then it could be Vlad that was scammed, forcing his hand in turn to scam other people. Disappointing, but a distinct possibility.
I doubt Vlad is LE since this would make LE directly complicit in drug trafficking, but he could have been busted, last week for example, and turned into a CI to do some of their dirty work, they aren't above forcing other people to continue crimes they're prosecuting if they get to their ends.
I am as shocked as kmfkewn is that any vendors would be using CIM as a method of cashing out. If you are really doing that, stop it now. CIM can be anonymous if it is implemented correctly, but never for the receiver. This is the kind of thing we would just assume everybody already knows, no 20/20 hindsight is required here.
It is also inappropriate that some people in this thread are advocating dispersal of clearnet information on a possible member. Dispensing information on other forum members is also grounds for a ban even if they are a scammer. If that outrages you, you should be so lucky, since if these were RL transactions being a snitch in the black market would reduce your life expectancy. Yet another advantage of SR as a black market platform is that you are protected from coercion. Threatening peoples lives over a few hundred dollars is shortsighted and makes you look ridiculous. It is highly dubious that this so-called information has any validity though. It could be that Vlad was overconfident and lazy in his security, but it's at least just as likely that this '******' is another fall guy.
Finally I have posted tutorials before on obtaining and using bitcoin. So have others. It was never a case of 'CIM or deanonymize yourself', that was just Vlad's sales pitches giving that impression even if he never quite said so outright. You might as well blame a baker or grocer for claiming the best produce in town/world/universe! It is true that CIM can be anonymous for a buyer which is why SR allowed that option to be available to buyers. It is like FE, it is an option. Similarly, if a vendor wishes to offer CIM services it is their lookout. We can wish for them to have a secure setup but this is not our business whether they do or not, anymore than Pine could turn around and mandate that everybody uses HDPP for vacuum packing. It's just none of our business. You can give advice and that is that. It is not true CIM is the only technique in the book for obtaining bitcoin anonymously.
Look down below in my sig, there is an *entire tutorial* on doing it properly *without CIM*. Another example is that shannon has repeatedly posted links to an over the counter bitcoin exchange before as well, only to be told that "looks too complex" by a bunch of people in one thread. That kind of response is slightly stunning when you consider these people were using CIM. Anonymous CIM isn't simple, it is of moderate level complexity, which implies that these guys must have been simply snatching paper notes out of their wallets, throwing them into an envelope and posting it in person from their local post office, probably having licked the stamp, registered the envelope and tracked fingerprints all over their cash inside. Why don't you put a few hairs and a DNA swab from your cheek in the envelope too while you're at it, you might as well cover all the bases to deanonymize yourself here. And don't forget to put a return address on the envelope while you're attempting your best impression yet of: "Im 12 and wat is this".
I can forgive ignorance. Ignorance is just fine. Everybody is ignorant about something. It has an effective cure. I cannot overlook laziness. In myself, in you, in anybody. Sloth really is a sin. It doesn't hurt other people, but it's still the cognitive equivalent of cutting yourself.
tldr; You guys need to move on, there is nothing you can/should do, but you can learn from this. Don't trust people merely because they have a high post count, not even pine the platypus :) Libertarians traditionally respect self determination and independent thinking (this doesn't mean disagreeing with people all the time either, that's an 'amateur libertarian''s mistake lol), if you're looking for a new role model you need to RTFM instead. You should think for yourself instead and analyze what you're hearing against your benchmark instead of somebody else.
tldr^2; Markets... especially illegal ones... have expensive fees for schooling and education! But if the lesson is learned it is well earned. (?)
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if u belive everything lim says u belive hes gangster no1 whos whole range of products were illegal 2 years ago he carnt even score week on the street but is gangsta no1 who listenes to mavrik sabre
anyone who listens to mavrik sabre is under 25 and isnt a money cleaner expert or gangsta no1 so dont take antthing u read here literally ,gangstas dont sell legal hight and spent 24/7 on a drug forum
Hit the nail on the head there! :)
I have done this in the interests of SR's Public Knowledge, there's many a good person out there, and you all deserve to know!
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=39482.0
;)
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And bricks were just shat by all members.
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imho this is pretty misinformed, most people i know cash out bitcoins or pecunix via cim very safely. i think better advice would be to never use cim in an illicits setting, especially a public one
We'll have to disagree then.
Hit the nail on the head there! :)
I have done this in the interests of SR's Public Knowledge, there's many a good person out there, and you all deserve to know!
Limetless has repeatedly stated that the armored vehicle's picture was taken off some random website.
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I like how everyone new theory is "Oh my gosh you are causing a scene here, nothing wrong ever happens in this perfect world, clearly LEA tactics". This shit is hilarious.
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what a day on the forums. even CockHoggs alter ego is showing more reasoning and intelligence then the majoriy of the people here.
Please marry me Pine
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Pine, I like a lot of the content of your post. But you really talk down to people. It might be fun to be all the way up there where you are but it interferes with your message which I believe is a good one.
There's also a lot of blaming the victims. And that's never cool.
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Guys - I seriously doubt this "Nathan" character is Vlad. IMO, there is no way he is that careless. That person probably is one of the following - 1. An unknowing pawn, 2. A fake person, or 3. Law Enforcement Honeypot. Just because you are on TOR doesn't mean doing google searches and opening web pages that use Flash or Java or a number of other applications is OK - it's fairly easy to exploit.
I'd stop researching this individual - it very well could be him, but I think the likelihood is that it isn't.
Sorry to all that were scammed -really sucks! Hopefully you find what you are looking for, if not, don't let this ruin your trip down the road - most people here are helpful, and genuine.
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Limetless has repeatedly stated that the armored vehicle's picture was taken off some random website.
I was unaware of this pine.
However, I would be very unhappy if I spent over $105,000 USD, and I didn't recelieve exactly the same car that was advertised to me in the picture and description.
Wouldn't you feel scammed and ripped off? I certainly would!
And if I was this clearweb vendor, and I found out a criminal, has copied and pasted my car/company, onto a darkweb account associated to his criminal activity. I'd be mighty pissed off!
I think you should apply to be a mod here pine, your much loved, and very fair and diplomatic, all the good qualities a good mod should have!
Anyone agree with me here? :)
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turn off flash, turn off java, turn on tor, go to google, dont open PDF's and you should be fine right?
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Limetless has repeatedly stated that the armored vehicle's picture was taken off some random website.
I was unaware of this pine.
However, I would be very unhappy if I spent over $105,000 USD, and I didn't recelieve exactly the same car that was advertised to me in the picture and description.
Wouldn't you feel scammed and ripped off? I certainly would!
And if I was this clearweb vendor, and I found out a criminal, has copied and pasted my car/company, onto a darkweb account associated to his criminal activity. I'd be mighty pissed off!
I think you should apply to be a mod here pine, your much loved, and very fair and diplomatic, all the good qualities a good mod should have!
Anyone agree with me here? :)
yes but everyone thought the same about limetless (although sus we are yet to be proved otherwise anyway)
and have you ever used ebay? its common practice to just copy and paste pics and descriptions of products. same with on here. half the vendors have pics of products they just found in google images. no ever complains aslong as it alters there mind
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did you not hear about the guy tony that ripped everybody :(
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Anyone know lims due back date?
Excited to hear his input to say the least..
Im just feeling very lucky atm as vlad didnt fuck me over and lets just say i wernt sending petty cash!
i come back from a festival and all this shits gone down!
madness
Limetless has repeatedly stated that the armored vehicle's picture was taken off some random website.
I was unaware of this pine.
However, I would be very unhappy if I spent over $105,000 USD, and I didn't recelieve exactly the same car that was advertised to me in the picture and description.
Wouldn't you feel scammed and ripped off? I certainly would!
And if I was this clearweb vendor, and I found out a criminal, has copied and pasted my car/company, onto a darkweb account associated to his criminal activity. I'd be mighty pissed off!
I think you should apply to be a mod here pine, your much loved, and very fair and diplomatic, all the good qualities a good mod should have!
Anyone agree with me here? :)
Agreed, we need someone to light the way.
be our jesus pine
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Lims vendor page says first week in sept.
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of what year? ;)
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I think you should apply to be a mod here pine, your much loved, and very fair and diplomatic, all the good qualities a good mod should have!
Anyone agree with me here? :)
Absolutely not! Whilst I fully support all that pine has done and is still doing for this community, and no one can deny that we have ALL benefited by his / her presence here, promoting more moderator positions is an incredibly bad idea. I'm sure (or at least I hope) that pine will back me up on this.
The more people selected for these positions, the higher the possibility that a member of Law Enforcement will eventually be promoted to one. That is when the forum manipulation will begin, and little noticed censoring may occur. Or perhaps that moderator will go through the motions for a couple of weeks or months and build up a rapport with another member - who just so happens to be one of their colleagues - which will lead to them being recommended for a moderator position themselves, a decision which will most likely be supported by the community at large because "well, they're just such a great person, right?"
This is the deepweb. We are all anonymous here. To be frank, NONE of us have ANY idea who anyone else is, nor do we have any idea who may have been tasked with forum manipulation. I could be LE, you could be LE, absolutely any of us could be LE and there is nothing to be gained by burying one's head in the sand and ignoring this very real, very dangerous fact. I'm not a paranoid person, and I have no real reason to be. I never see the bulk orders I place on here; I have no contact with the people receiving them, apart from an anonymous payment system. The only personal drugs I use are alcohol, caffeine, an occasional cycle of ephedrine when I'm working out and the occasional viagra when I want to have a better night than usual. None of these will get me in trouble with the law in my country - the latter two might possibly get me a fine, yes, but no record or any other such madness. As such, my 'paranoia' is aimed entirely at attempting to ensure the continued freedom of expression that we all enjoy here.
We don't need more moderators; in fact I would argue that we need less. I appreciate the current moderators volunteering their time (and would encourage all users to donate something to them, if they can) but we must ensure the security and freedom of this forum, not leave ourselves open to the possibility of censorship and oppression should the wrong person 'get the job' so to speak. We all have enough of that in the real world.
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I think you should apply to be a mod here pine, your much loved, and very fair and diplomatic, all the good qualities a good mod should have!
Anyone agree with me here? :)
Absolutely not! Whilst I fully support all that pine has done and is still doing for this community, and no one can deny that we have ALL benefited by his / her presence here, promoting more moderator positions is an incredibly bad idea. I'm sure (or at least I hope) that pine will back me up on this.
The more people selected for these positions, the higher the possibility that a member of Law Enforcement will eventually be promoted to one. That is when the forum manipulation will begin, and little noticed censoring may occur. Or perhaps that moderator will go through the motions for a couple of weeks or months and build up a rapport with another member - who just so happens to be one of their colleagues - which will lead to them being recommended for a moderator position themselves, a decision which will most likely be supported by the community at large because "well, they're just such a great person, right?"
This is the deepweb. We are all anonymous here. To be frank, NONE of us have ANY idea who anyone else is, nor do we have any idea who may have been tasked with forum manipulation. I could be LE, you could be LE, absolutely any of us could be LE and there is nothing to be gained by burying one's head in the sand and ignoring this very real, very dangerous fact. I'm not a paranoid person, and I have no real reason to be. I never see the bulk orders I place on here; I have no contact with the people receiving them, apart from an anonymous payment system. The only personal drugs I use are alcohol, caffeine, an occasional cycle of ephedrine when I'm working out and the occasional viagra when I want to have a better night than usual. None of these will get me in trouble with the law in my country - the latter two might possibly get me a fine, yes, but no record or any other such madness. As such, my 'paranoia' is aimed entirely at attempting to ensure the continued freedom of expression that we all enjoy here.
We don't need more moderators; in fact I would argue that we need less. I appreciate the current moderators volunteering their time (and would encourage all users to donate something to them, if they can) but we must ensure the security and freedom of this forum, not leave ourselves open to the possibility of censorship and oppression should the wrong person 'get the job' so to speak. We all have enough of that in the real world.
I agree with some of the points you have made GG, especially the one where less mods are needed here!
Quality over quantity, I was just saying that pine, has excellent mod qualities, everything that a mod should be, fair, diplomatic, and straight!
I think Nomad and Guru, are fantastic mods, and should be praised! On the other end of the spectrum, I find one mod here in particular (Lim), in my personal opinion to be tactless and unfair, who just make the rules up as he goes along!
There is no quality control when it comes to the mods here, and I think it would be a good idea to have one, so the standard is set for the good of the community!
Good post GG, and I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I just think a moderator should be exactly that, a moderator, nothing more nothing less! :)
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Good point.
I just don't want to see the community here whittle away over time,
i suppose throwing the title mod at more members wont help that but if lim does mysteriously disappear i think a position will be open and in my eyes pine does fit the job description.
Having active mods in the forum makes me feel more at ease, despite the fact it may be giving LE the opportunity to infiltrate..
yes my logic's bent..
and yes im high..
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I think you should apply to be a mod here pine, your much loved, and very fair and diplomatic, all the good qualities a good mod should have!
Anyone agree with me here? :)
Absolutely not! Whilst I fully support all that pine has done and is still doing for this community, and no one can deny that we have ALL benefited by his / her presence here, promoting more moderator positions is an incredibly bad idea. I'm sure (or at least I hope) that pine will back me up on this.
The more people selected for these positions, the higher the possibility that a member of Law Enforcement will eventually be promoted to one. That is when the forum manipulation will begin, and little noticed censoring may occur. Or perhaps that moderator will go through the motions for a couple of weeks or months and build up a rapport with another member - who just so happens to be one of their colleagues - which will lead to them being recommended for a moderator position themselves, a decision which will most likely be supported by the community at large because "well, they're just such a great person, right?"
This is the deepweb. We are all anonymous here. To be frank, NONE of us have ANY idea who anyone else is, nor do we have any idea who may have been tasked with forum manipulation. I could be LE, you could be LE, absolutely any of us could be LE and there is nothing to be gained by burying one's head in the sand and ignoring this very real, very dangerous fact. I'm not a paranoid person, and I have no real reason to be. I never see the bulk orders I place on here; I have no contact with the people receiving them, apart from an anonymous payment system. The only personal drugs I use are alcohol, caffeine, an occasional cycle of ephedrine when I'm working out and the occasional viagra when I want to have a better night than usual. None of these will get me in trouble with the law in my country - the latter two might possibly get me a fine, yes, but no record or any other such madness. As such, my 'paranoia' is aimed entirely at attempting to ensure the continued freedom of expression that we all enjoy here.
We don't need more moderators; in fact I would argue that we need less. I appreciate the current moderators volunteering their time (and would encourage all users to donate something to them, if they can) but we must ensure the security and freedom of this forum, not leave ourselves open to the possibility of censorship and oppression should the wrong person 'get the job' so to speak. We all have enough of that in the real world.
I agree with some of the points you have made GG, especially the one where less mods are needed here!
Quality over quantity, I was just saying that pine, has excellent mod qualities, everything that a mod should be, fair, diplomatic, and straight!
I think Nomad and Guru, are fantastic mods, and should be praised! On the other end of the spectrum, I find one mod here in particular (Lim), in my personal opinion to be tactless and unfair, who just make the rules up as he goes along!
There is no quality control when it comes to the mods here, and I think it would be a good idea to have one, so the standard is set for the good of the community!
Good post GG, and I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I just think a moderator should be exactly that, a moderator, nothing more nothing less! :)
A mod with a vendor account - Conflict of interests perhaps??
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I also hope that no one checked any of vlad's accounts via their personal clearnet IPs. His videos, etc were deleted by the time I looked, but I doubt they were anywhere near popular enough for you to blend in with the crowd.
Regarding PDFs, besides making sure you downloaded the file via tor, I would advise against opening it with adobe reader. It is being hacked and patched on a monthly basis, although its protected environment has made exploits more difficult. Try an alternative reader, or use google or startpage to view the PDF by searching for the URL where it is found, then clicking the appropriate link next to its search result. I would also recommend sandboxing any PDF reader app if you aren't already running a VM.
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I agree with some of the points you have made GG, especially the one where less mods are needed here!
Quality over quantity, I was just saying that pine, has excellent mod qualities, everything that a mod should be, fair, diplomatic, and straight!
I think Nomad and Guru, are fantastic mods, and should be praised! On the other end of the spectrum, I find one mod here in particular (Lim), in my personal opinion to be tactless and unfair, who just make the rules up as he goes along!
There is no quality control when it comes to the mods here, and I think it would be a good idea to have one, so the standard is set for the good of the community!
Good post GG, and I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I just think a moderator should be exactly that, a moderator, nothing more nothing less! :)
pine does indeed exhibit those qualities, but someone exhibiting such qualities (or any other qualities, for that matter) should never lull you into a false sense of security. Again, this isn't an attack on pine's personal character - I have the utmost respect and gratitude for pine and his / her efforts here - but the fact remains that none of us can trust anyone on here, regardless of their public persona or likeability. The subject of this very thread is testament to that.
nomad bloodbath has been here literally from the very beginning, and is the only moderator I feel comfortable with being in a position of power here, as things have run very smoothly on his watch with no problems. I don't trust him, as I don't trust anyone here, but I have the utmost respect for him and find him to be excellent at fulfilling his duties as moderator. I'd go as far as requesting that his moderator position be a paid position, financed from SR's coffers - this would perhaps allow him to do it as a relatively full time job, should be accept it, and eliminate the need for any other moderators, thus rridding ourselves of any possible infiltration. DPR will always have the ultimate control here and could demote any moderator found to be abusing their position, but I still don't like the potential for LE infiltration and manipulation.
Obviously squidSheperd and Indica|Sativa would remain in moderator positions as well, given that they were handpicked and appointed by DPR.
As for 'ruffling my feathers', not at all! Anything that stirs debate and pushes us forward is an excellent thing, and is something that I'm always happy to see, whether I agree with what is being said or not! :)
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I think you should apply to be a mod here pine, your much loved, and very fair and diplomatic, all the good qualities a good mod should have!
Anyone agree with me here? :)
Absolutely not! Whilst I fully support all that pine has done and is still doing for this community, and no one can deny that we have ALL benefited by his / her presence here, promoting more moderator positions is an incredibly bad idea. I'm sure (or at least I hope) that pine will back me up on this.
The more people selected for these positions, the higher the possibility that a member of Law Enforcement will eventually be promoted to one. That is when the forum manipulation will begin, and little noticed censoring may occur. Or perhaps that moderator will go through the motions for a couple of weeks or months and build up a rapport with another member - who just so happens to be one of their colleagues - which will lead to them being recommended for a moderator position themselves, a decision which will most likely be supported by the community at large because "well, they're just such a great person, right?"
This is the deepweb. We are all anonymous here. To be frank, NONE of us have ANY idea who anyone else is, nor do we have any idea who may have been tasked with forum manipulation. I could be LE, you could be LE, absolutely any of us could be LE and there is nothing to be gained by burying one's head in the sand and ignoring this very real, very dangerous fact. I'm not a paranoid person, and I have no real reason to be. I never see the bulk orders I place on here; I have no contact with the people receiving them, apart from an anonymous payment system. The only personal drugs I use are alcohol, caffeine, an occasional cycle of ephedrine when I'm working out and the occasional viagra when I want to have a better night than usual. None of these will get me in trouble with the law in my country - the latter two might possibly get me a fine, yes, but no record or any other such madness. As such, my 'paranoia' is aimed entirely at attempting to ensure the continued freedom of expression that we all enjoy here.
We don't need more moderators; in fact I would argue that we need less. I appreciate the current moderators volunteering their time (and would encourage all users to donate something to them, if they can) but we must ensure the security and freedom of this forum, not leave ourselves open to the possibility of censorship and oppression should the wrong person 'get the job' so to speak. We all have enough of that in the real world.
I agree with some of the points you have made GG, especially the one where less mods are needed here!
Quality over quantity, I was just saying that pine, has excellent mod qualities, everything that a mod should be, fair, diplomatic, and straight!
I think Nomad and Guru, are fantastic mods, and should be praised! On the other end of the spectrum, I find one mod here in particular (Lim), in my personal opinion to be tactless and unfair, who just make the rules up as he goes along!
There is no quality control when it comes to the mods here, and I think it would be a good idea to have one, so the standard is set for the good of the community!
Good post GG, and I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I just think a moderator should be exactly that, a moderator, nothing more nothing less! :)
lims power as a mod extended to locking threads and that was about it.
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'Lime' is fucktard for backing up Vlad in the University thread. In which thousands was scammed out of our fellow forum users. Strange that a vendor is a mod here anyway. And the fucktard created a typo account; limitless is the correct spelling.
...i doubt Pine is even female. Not mod quality, imo.
I'm enjoying this thread, carry on.
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I am as shocked as kmfkewn is that any vendors would be using CIM as a method of cashing out. If you are really doing that, stop it now. CIM can be anonymous if it is implemented correctly, but never for the receiver. This is the kind of thing we would just assume everybody already knows, no 20/20 hindsight is required here.
imho this is pretty misinformed, most people i know cash out bitcoins or pecunix via cim very safely. i think better advice would be to never use cim in an illicits setting, especially a public one
How do they safely cash out via CIM? It seems to be impossible to me, unless it has been mixed to hell and layered through a bunch of accounts. I am of the opinion that anonymously obtained debit cards are vastly superior. Hell even fake identification and cashing out to WU is safer, at least then you can switch up spots and fake ID very frequently. I wouldn't say that it is impossible to cash out to CIM safely, but to do so would require that the currency being cashed out has already securely been unlinked from the person who sent it to you, so that they can not follow the trail back to you. And then you would still want to use a fake ID box at the least. Getting CIM from a vendor operating on a drug forum who cashes out drug money bitcoins for CIM is just extremely retarded though.
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turn off flash, turn off java, turn on tor, go to google, dont open PDF's and you should be fine right?
more or less
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I was reading a funny forum on clearweb in which a co worker of nathan talks about him creeping out all the females in his work by bringing them creepy gifts
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'Lime' is fucktard for backing up Vlad in the University thread. In which thousands was scammed out of our fellow forum users. Strange that a vendor is a mod here anyway. And the fucktard created a typo account; limitless is the correct spelling.
...i doubt Pine is even female. Not mod quality, imo.
I'm enjoying this thread, carry on.
a timestamped pic customised showing user name and showing tits can prove or disprove easily. pretending to be female is a common forum tactic..
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I agree with some of the points you have made GG, especially the one where less mods are needed here!
Quality over quantity, I was just saying that pine, has excellent mod qualities, everything that a mod should be, fair, diplomatic, and straight!
I think Nomad and Guru, are fantastic mods, and should be praised! On the other end of the spectrum, I find one mod here in particular (Lim), in my personal opinion to be tactless and unfair, who just make the rules up as he goes along!
There is no quality control when it comes to the mods here, and I think it would be a good idea to have one, so the standard is set for the good of the community!
Good post GG, and I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I just think a moderator should be exactly that, a moderator, nothing more nothing less! :)
pine does indeed exhibit those qualities, but someone exhibiting such qualities (or any other qualities, for that matter) should never lull you into a false sense of security. Again, this isn't an attack on pine's personal character - I have the utmost respect and gratitude for pine and his / her efforts here - but the fact remains that none of us can trust anyone on here, regardless of their public persona or likeability. The subject of this very thread is testament to that.
nomad bloodbath has been here literally from the very beginning, and is the only moderator I feel comfortable with being in a position of power here, as things have run very smoothly on his watch with no problems. I don't trust him, as I don't trust anyone here, but I have the utmost respect for him and find him to be excellent at fulfilling his duties as moderator. I'd go as far as requesting that his moderator position be a paid position, financed from SR's coffers - this would perhaps allow him to do it as a relatively full time job, should be accept it, and eliminate the need for any other moderators, thus rridding ourselves of any possible infiltration. DPR will always have the ultimate control here and could demote any moderator found to be abusing their position, but I still don't like the potential for LE infiltration and manipulation.
Obviously squidSheperd and Indica|Sativa would remain in moderator positions as well, given that they were handpicked and appointed by DPR.
As for 'ruffling my feathers', not at all! Anything that stirs debate and pushes us forward is an excellent thing, and is something that I'm always happy to see, whether I agree with what is being said or not! :)
Graham, you are one of two posters on these forums where when I read your posts literally EVERY time they follow logical thought progressions and make sense. The other is Guru. I would just like to say thank you for taking the time out to post here.
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a timestamped pic customised showing user name and showing tits can prove or disprove easily.
Agreed. Except Trannies can have tits too. A timestamped vag-pic is the best way to prove femininity.
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lims power as a mod extended to locking threads and that was about it.
Not quite; he also has the power to ban forum users and delete posts and threads.
Graham, you are one of two posters on these forums where when I read your posts literally EVERY time they follow logical thought progressions and make sense. The other is Guru. I would just like to say thank you for taking the time out to post here.
Thank you for the kind words therealgod. :)
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lims power as a mod extended to locking threads and that was about it.
Not quite; he also has the power to ban forum users and delete posts and threads.
Graham, you are one of two posters on these forums where when I read your posts literally EVERY time they follow logical thought progressions and make sense. The other is Guru. I would just like to say thank you for taking the time out to post here.
Thank you for the kind words therealgod. :)
he actually didnt as many a time he was asked to delete a thread and could only lock it
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he actually didnt as many a time he was asked to delete a thread and could only lock it
Ah, I stand corrected then! Though I'm almost certain that when he was given the "Spam Buster" moniker that he was able to delete users, posts and threads, namely the Mt.Gix spamming threads?
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Ive asked this in another thread but can someone explain why someone with seemingly as many connections as Limetless didnt sell harder drugs such as coke especially seeming how much he mentioned he liked it. I thought the profit margin on coke would be alot higher then something like meph.
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Ive asked this in another thread but can someone explain why someone with seemingly as many connections as Limetless didnt sell harder drugs such as coke especially seeming how much he mentioned he liked it. I thought the profit margin on coke would be alot higher then something like meph.
who knows? sometimes you need to read between the lines
well theres some questions need answering
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It's kind of people to suggest I should become a moderator, but as discussed on other threads, my plan is to become a platypus instead.
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he actually didnt as many a time he was asked to delete a thread and could only lock it
Ah, I stand corrected then! Though I'm almost certain that when he was given the "Spam Buster" moniker that he was able to delete users, posts and threads, namely the Mt.Gix spamming threads?
I'm afraid BC, Grahamgreene is 100% correct with his comment about what Lim was abhle to do as a "Spam Buster." He told me so in a response to a PM when I informed him of some spamming threads. :)
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he actually didnt as many a time he was asked to delete a thread and could only lock it
Ah, I stand corrected then! Though I'm almost certain that when he was given the "Spam Buster" moniker that he was able to delete users, posts and threads, namely the Mt.Gix spamming threads?
I'm afraid BC, Grahamgreene is 100% correct with his comment about what Lim was abhle to do as a "Spam Buster." He told me so in a response to a PM when I informed him of some spamming threads. :)
maybe recently but how many times did we all want CP threads deleted and all he could do was lock them
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It's kind of people to suggest I should become a moderator, but as discussed on other threads, my plan is to become a platypus instead.
You would need to prove you are a female for a start, and then prove the avatar picture was not you.
Because using your own picture as an avatar would be a dumb ass thing for a potential mod to even think about.
See what I'm saying??
Plus the people nominating you are the ones defending limetass and vlad. Therefore fantastic judges of character yo.
Just saying.
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You would need to prove you are a female for a start, and then prove the avatar picture was not you.
Because using your own picture as an avatar would be a dumb ass thing for a potential mod to even think about.
See what I'm saying??
Plus the people nominating you are the ones defending limetass and vlad. Therefore fantastic judges of character yo.
Just saying.
pine has never declared him/herself as being female; they've never stated one way or the other, maintaining a higher level of anonymity by doing so. Given pine's security-centric thinking, I'd lay 100 BTC on the line that the avatar is not them. (pine, if it is, please don't call me out on that bet. :P)
On top of that, pine has stated that he/she does not want to be a moderator. Discussing the matter is somewhat pointless.
As for Limetless, he has thus far done nothing wrong and should not be tossed into the same category as the scammer vlad1m1r. If you've seen any of my previous posts you'll notice I'm not Limetless' biggest fan, but he has not done anything wrong here and does not deserve the vitriol directed at him by so many simply because of his conversation and apparent forum-friendship with vlad1m1r.
Most of us were quite fond of vlad1m1r, and none of us bar one or two expected things to turn out the way they did - you cannot label someone a scammer simply because they become pally with someone who later becomes a scammer. Doing so is an exercise in absurdity.
We are all innocent until proven guilty of any crime, making it entirely unjust to judge Limetless in his absence.
Wait until he returns, see what he has to say on the matter, and then people can begin to cast their respective stones at him, if they so wish. This is turning into something of a witch hunt borne solely of some people's dislike of Limetless' public persona and it is quite frankly a disgusting spectacle to witness in a place where freedom and common interest reign supreme.
- grahamgreene
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You would need to prove you are a female for a start, and then prove the avatar picture was not you.
Because using your own picture as an avatar would be a dumb ass thing for a potential mod to even think about.
See what I'm saying??
Plus the people nominating you are the ones defending limetass and vlad. Therefore fantastic judges of character yo.
Just saying.
pine has never declared him/herself as being female; they've never stated one way or the other, maintaining a higher level of anonymity by doing so. Given pine's security-centric thinking, I'd lay 100 BTC on the line that the avatar is not them. (pine, if it is, please don't call me out on that bet. :P)
On top of that, pine has stated that he/she does not want to be a moderator. Discussing the matter is somewhat pointless.
As for Limetless, he has thus far done nothing wrong and should not be tossed into the same category as the scammer vlad1m1r. If you've seen any of my previous posts you'll notice I'm not Limetless' biggest fan, but he has not done anything wrong here and does not deserve the vitriol directed at him by so many simply because of his conversation and apparent forum-friendship with vlad1m1r.
Most of us were quite fond of vlad1m1r, and none of us bar one or two expected things to turn out the way they did - you cannot label someone a scammer simply because they become pally with someone who later becomes a scammer. Doing so is an exercise in absurdity.
We are all innocent until proven guilty of any crime, making it entirely unjust to judge Limetless in his absence.
Wait until he returns, see what he has to say on the matter, and then people can begin to cast their respective stones at him, if they so wish. This is turning into something of a witch hunt borne solely of some people's dislike of Limetless' public persona and it is quite frankly a disgusting spectacle to witness in a place where freedom and common interest reign supreme.
- grahamgreene
I don't want to make shit with you, that's not what this is about.
a) The ponzi scheme made it crystal clear how things were going to end up. Quickly. "Most if not all" were very naive about this. They might be a lot of "big man drug dealers" here, just because someone turns over a high volume of drugs does not mean they have any intelligence whatsoever.
b) Limetless, as a mod should have been protecting the community, not sheepdogging them to Vlad with envelopes of money. Can you name one case where a UK buyer has had bank accounts frozen or has been prosecuted based on bank/mt gox evidence?? Venfdors cashing out? Well they should use there brains. BTC - clean cash is not hard whatsoever.
c) Rather than just listen to limetless's explanation, I would expect some proof now. Firstly of the vehicle he is claiming to be selling.
As I have mentioned, the people who tell little lies are generally the same people that tell big whopping lies. Liars are untrustworthy. Period. Trust is something a mod on any forum should have. Especially so here.
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I don't want to make shit with you, that's not what this is about.
a) The ponzi scheme made it crystal clear how things were going to end up. Quickly. "Most if not all" were very naive about this. They might be a lot of "big man drug dealers" here, just because someone turns over a high volume of drugs does not mean they have any intelligence whatsoever.
b) Limetless, as a mod should have been protecting the community, not sheepdogging them to Vlad with envelopes of money. Can you name one case where a UK buyer has had bank accounts frozen or has been prosecuted based on bank/mt gox evidence?? Venfdors cashing out? Well they should use there brains. BTC - clean cash is not hard whatsoever.
c) Rather than just listen to limetless's explanation, I would expect some proof now. Firstly of the vehicle he is claiming to be selling.
As I have mentioned, the people who tell little lies are generally the same people that tell big whopping lies. Liars are untrustworthy. Period. Trust is something a mod on any forum should have. Especially so here.
Of course not, all discussion about this is good discussion!
I'll address your points in the same manner as you brought them up, for ease (and because my posts are sometimes terribly long winded! :P)
a) There was no Ponzi scheme that anyone could see to begin with. People put their money into vlad1m1r's "investment program" because they assumed from his posts and statements that he could make them 6% per month by investing in various financial sectors. In hindsight, knowing what we now know (or at least assume to be correct), giving him money for this purpose was indeed incredibly naive. However, nothing seemed out of the ordinary at the time due to vlad1m1r's posts and persona here on the forum.
I stated before in this thread that I believe he was investing in pirateat40's Ponzi, and when pirateat40 defaulted with everybody's money that vlad1m1r had put into the Ponzi he decided to cut and run, possibly paying back vendors with any cash in the mail he got (as they would be the ones most likely to seek retribution), or else just taking that cash with him on the way out. I'll agree with you on "just because someone turns over a high volume of drugs does not mean they have any intelligence whatsoever", but I'll wager that there are a lot of intelligent people who were suckered in by this. The old adage of investment rings true: never invest more than you can afford to lose. Unfortunately it seems there were many who failed to take heed of that warning.
b) Limetless' duty is not to protect the community, it is to maintain order in the forums. It is up to each individual to protect themselves; nobody else can do that for them. Individuals decided to send somebody cash in the mail in the hope that that person would honour their part of the bargain, which they did for a time before cutting and running. It is posted everywhere here on the forums, in the Buyer's Guide and in the Wiki that FE is an incredibly bad idea and leaves the buyer with no recourse should they lose their money. The responsibility lies entirely on the people in question here to protect themselves, not on Limetless or any other moderator. Limetless may have recommended vlad1m1r - however, so did many, many others.
I cannot name a case where a UK buyer has had their bank account frozen or prosecuted based on bank/Mt.Gox evidence, but that is not to say it hasn't happened or won't happen in the future. Bitcoin to clean cash is indeed relatively simple, but everything is simple when you know how.!
c) What are you expecting proof of? I personally think Limetless has the Land Rover listed as a joke; the other items he sells seem to be legitimate, so this doesn't worry me in the least, mainly because I highly doubt anyone wanting an Armored car would spend $105,000 to buy one over Silk Road. It would be far simpler to buy a car and upgrade it with the relevant security features yourself. If you have $105,000 and are in a situation where you have need of an armored car, it is highly likely that you would have the necessary contacts for this service. Hell, I don't have $105,000 and I have no need of such a car, but even I know people that know people that could provide this service for a fee. And I'm in Ireland, which says a lot. So it may be a lie, yes, but I think it's a joke more than anything else.
Trust is something that should NEVER be given here, regardless of the position of the member in question. Trust no one. Be polite, be respectful, engage in friendly debate and conversation, sure, but never give anyone your trust. You simply have no way of knowing if they are who they say they are.
As I've stated on more than one occasion I am not a fan of Limetless. This is mainly because I find his public persona and general demeanour here quite immature. I will, however, defend him, (as I would defend anybody else here) as he has acted honourably thus far - he has not yet done anything to deserve the level of vitriol aimed at him.
- grahamgreene
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Ive asked this in another thread but can someone explain why someone with seemingly as many connections as Limetless didnt sell harder drugs such as coke especially seeming how much he mentioned he liked it. I thought the profit margin on coke would be alot higher then something like meph.
I think you'll find the profit margin much higher for meph than coke, it costs peanuts to make:)
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Ive asked this in another thread but can someone explain why someone with seemingly as many connections as Limetless didnt sell harder drugs such as coke especially seeming how much he mentioned he liked it. I thought the profit margin on coke would be alot higher then something like meph.
I think you'll find the profit margin much higher for meph than coke, it costs peanuts to make:)
Like the JWH-019 he imports from china at about $4 a gram and sells for $44.97?
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I'm pretty sure i read he had a lab thus making of all these chemical type drugs. You can't engineer coke you can only import from coke producing country, most likely why he doesn't sell coke. He has no links in south America , however he must know a lot of geeks with labs and time on there hands since hes probably a university student studying economics or business and has a friend studying chemistry.
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I'm pretty sure i read he had a lab thus making of all these chemical type drugs. You can't engineer coke you can only import from coke producing country, most likely why he doesn't sell coke. He has no links in south America , however he must know a lot of geeks with labs and time on there hands since hes probably a university student studying economics or business and has a friend studying chemistry.
PMSL
Studying economics or business and could not recognize a ponzi?
He SAID he had a lab. Tall tales. He SAID he has an ex-MOD Land Rover.
A liar is a liar. Obvious is obvious.
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I think you'll find the profit margin much higher for meph than coke, it costs peanuts to make:)
Like the JWH-019 he imports from china at about $4 a gram and sells for $44.97?
In fairness this is a free market and vendors are free to charge whatever they want for their product. If buyers aren't happy with the price, they are free to purchase from a different vendor. Or indeed they are free to set up shop themselves and undercut their competitor.
From that $44.97 you have to take into account transport costs, possible bribery / seized shipment costs, packaging and associated vendor costs, and of course a wage on top. If someone feels they can do it cheaper and still make it worth their while, they can. Such is the beauty of a truly free open market.
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PMSL
Studying economics or business and could not recognize a ponzi?
He SAID he had a lab. Tall tales. He SAID he has an ex-MOD Land Rover.
A liar is a liar. Obvious is obvious.
punkst0ner, vlad1m1r's cash-in-the-mail service wasn't a Ponzi. His investment scheme was likely a passthrough scheme for pirateat40's Ponzi, but I don't think many put much money into that, and I certainly can't recall Limetless recommending vlad1m1r's investment scheme anywhere. He recommended the cash-in-the-mail service, yes, but so did a huge number of people. I fail to see where you're getting this Ponzi idea from? ???
As for Limetless, he did say he has a lab. He did say he has an ex-MOD Land Rover. Both claims which are completely unverifiable by any of us here, therefore it is impossible to know if he is lying or not. As you say, obvious is obvious. It is obvious that we cannot know either way if he is telling the truth or if what he says is a fabrication. You're making claims based on nothing but pure conjecture, and stating it to be fact.
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PMSL
Studying economics or business and could not recognize a ponzi?
He SAID he had a lab. Tall tales. He SAID he has an ex-MOD Land Rover.
A liar is a liar. Obvious is obvious.
punkst0ner, vlad1m1r's cash-in-the-mail service wasn't a Ponzi. His investment scheme was likely a passthrough scheme for pirateat40's Ponzi, but I don't think many put much money into that, and I certainly can't recall Limetless recommending vlad1m1r's investment scheme anywhere. He recommended the cash-in-the-mail service, yes, but so did a huge number of people. I fail to see where you're getting this Ponzi idea from? ???
He did say he has a lab. He did say he has an ex-MOD Land Rover. Both claims which are completely unverifiable by any of us here, therefore it is impossible to know if he is lying or not. As you say, obvious is obvious. It is obvious that we cannot know either way if he is telling the truth or if what he says is a fabrication. You're making claims based on nothing but pure conjecture, and stating it to be fact.
When someone tries to give the impression that they know a lot but really they know pretty much fuck all, they are very easy to trip up.
If he was studying BUSINESS or ECONOMICS, please tell me why someone would go to the expense of acquiring and equipping a lab, along with the risk that entails, when you can easily import a commercially manufactured and certified product for pennies totally legally?
Where is the business sense in this act, and how does it make economic sense?
Like I said before, I have to raise the bullshit flag. High and proud.
Plus if you did have a lab, it would be the last thing you went mouthing off about. On an anonymous forum or otherwise.
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This has been an interesting read, i think some of you are naive about police and how much they
contribute/influence this system/community.
One part of me feels sorry for vlad and his actions, he appeared a useful member maybe he got out of his depth but as far as him getting beatings/life harassed because of his actions, i don't care, it wouldn't look good on the community but them again we sell drugs, what do you expect? We all know that however we dress it up if your going to scam people in this game you will get hurt Its an occupational hazard, like prison, 6am knocks at the door and stop and search.
Some will learn and move on others will be planning revenge each to there own, were entitled to our opinions we just shouldn't force them on others and again i don't care, I'm learning from your mistakes.
The thing that has disappointed me is the limitless thing, i don't know why you would wait until he was on holiday/away/on beach with vlad to bring this up?
I don't know the dude never spoken to him, hes loud and knows his stuff and i appreciate he can be a little abrasive but the personal attacks, calling him a liar the whole fuss over his truck, why?
We would all like this to be a utopia with everybody on the level but its not, we don't use our RL names its anonymous, what did you expect and why does it matter?
I think the timing of this big revelation, (which in my opinion is a bit of a damp squid) is poor and more than a little childish, kind of wait till the teacher has gone before talking and quickly go silent when they return.
In my world if there are issues with an individual you talk directly to them about it, not see how many posse you can round up to back you up first, that's cowardly.
One last pointless observation, trying to profile him by his taste of music is dumb, i know so many people with such a wide range of music and the age is almost nothing to do with it, (except Justin bieber, like that nobend and your guaranteed to be a girl between 9 -13). I like maverick saber, Sam Cook, Bach, low key, Tupac, bob Marley, deep purple and between you and me abit of meat loaf, that don't put me in any demographic.
Thanks to the mods for a good job keeping back the spammers.
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When someone tries to give the impression that they know a lot but really they know pretty much fuck all, they are very easy to trip up.
If he was studying BUSINESS or ECONOMICS, please tell me why someone would go to the expense of acquiring and equipping a lab, along with the risk that entails, when you can easily import a commercially manufactured and certified product for pennies totally legally?
Where is the business sense in this act, and how does it make economic sense?
Like I said before, I have to raise the bullshit flag. High and proud.
Plus if you did have a lab, it would be the last thing you went mouthing off about. On an anonymous forum or otherwise.
Very true, it's easy to trip a liar up. However, there has been no indication of this yet.
Limetless has never stated that he is studying Business or Economics; a poster here stated that it may be a possibility, therefore it is again pure conjecture. Going through the expense of acquiring and equipping a lab, along with the risk that that entails when you can easily import a commercially manufactured and certified product for pennies totally legally may sound crazy, but everybody has their reasons. One may be that importing large quantities of scheduled / illegal products carries a huge risk, greater in fact than running your own lab to produce them. When running your own lab you have complete control over your security. When importing, you are relying on some one else to get your goods through customs and you assume that if they're caught, they're not going to flip. All it takes is for one customs official to get suspicious and you may end up having your shipment tracked, which will inevitably lead law enforcement to it's destination point: you and your lab.
The cost of acquiring and equipping a lab looks all the more inviting, and makes more sense, when your freedom is entirely dependent on your operational security.
I fully agree with you though that mouthing off about owning a lab is very silly indeed, if you do in fact own and run one.
I also commend you for calling things out as you see them; that's a helpful trait to have on a forum such as this, but making claims based on pure conjecture which are ultimately unverifiable is pointless. You can't be right or wrong no matter what, so it doesn't make sense to make the claims in the first place.
It is only right that we allow Limetless to answer these questions himself, should he choose to do so. If he chooses not to, that's his choice. DPR felt it appropriate to make Limetless a mod, on another moderator's recommendation. I don't necessarily fully support that decision, but it was DPR's to make and I'm sure, given his / her attitude towards freedom of expression that he / she did not make that choice lightly.
I know it seems like I'm jumping on your at every opportunity here but I'm not, I'm just pointing out logical fallacies as I see them and trying to defend someone who has, as of yet, done nothing wrong at all. I would do the same for you, and for any other member of this community if they were also facing accusations based on pure conjecture.
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Ive asked this in another thread but can someone explain why someone with seemingly as many connections as Limetless didnt sell harder drugs such as coke especially seeming how much he mentioned he liked it. I thought the profit margin on coke would be alot higher then something like meph.
I think you'll find the profit margin much higher for meph than coke, it costs peanuts to make:)
Plutopete is spot on! It costs so little to make Meph compared to Cocaine, especially if he was to import the coca leaves to the U.K. From some of the material I have on the subject, it details that approx. 4.75 kg of coca leaves are required to produce 24.14g of pure Cocaine. - " Yield (Cocaine HCl): 24,14g Cocaine HCl / 4750g leaves = 0.5%"
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When someone tries to give the impression that they know a lot but really they know pretty much fuck all, they are very easy to trip up.
If he was studying BUSINESS or ECONOMICS, please tell me why someone would go to the expense of acquiring and equipping a lab, along with the risk that entails, when you can easily import a commercially manufactured and certified product for pennies totally legally?
Where is the business sense in this act, and how does it make economic sense?
Like I said before, I have to raise the bullshit flag. High and proud.
Plus if you did have a lab, it would be the last thing you went mouthing off about. On an anonymous forum or otherwise.
I know it seems like I'm jumping on your at every opportunity here but I'm not, I'm just pointing out logical fallacies as I see them and trying to defend someone who has, as of yet, done nothing wrong at all. I would do the same for you, and for any other member of this community if they were also facing accusations based on pure conjecture.
We are both doing our best to help the community, in our own particular way. I don't mind being questioned on anything I post. That's the point of a discussion forum.
No personal offense taken whatsoever here, from anyone here. I totally understand some peeps will be finding it hard to stomach and accept what I'm trying to get over.
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im not having a go at lim he recomended vlad as did every other person who used him, im just saying to the people blaming him if u believe everything lim says u think he is a money laundering expert and gangster no1 in the uk so u shouldnt believe anything on a forum enough to not think theres a risk sending random guys cash
and i mentioned mavrik sabre coz anyone over 30 wont of even heard of the holyoaks wanabee which in my eyes makes lim under 25 not a mafioso money laundering expert and all the other tunes he puts up dubstep is for kids not gangster no1s
all people on here have to do is be pals with lim and people will hand them cash fall for the most crazy uni degrees scams it unreal.and this is fuck all to do with lim he just talks to them its the people automaticly think hes lims friend he wont scam
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Of course not, all discussion about this is good discussion!
I'll address your points in the same manner as you brought them up, for ease (and because my posts are sometimes terribly long winded! :P)
a) There was no Ponzi scheme that anyone could see to begin with. People put their money into vlad1m1r's "investment program" because they assumed from his posts and statements that he could make them 6% per month by investing in various financial sectors. In hindsight, knowing what we now know (or at least assume to be correct), giving him money for this purpose was indeed incredibly naive. However, nothing seemed out of the ordinary at the time due to vlad1m1r's posts and persona here on the forum.
This is the first I can remember hearing about Vald's 'investment' scheme. Given current interest rates, 6% per month would have raised alarm bells with me. 6% per month is 72% per year -- NO investment pays that high a rate of interest.
I'm an unsophisticated as can be when it comes to finance, but even I realize that this is totally and completely out to lunch!
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vlad1m1r's investment scheme was a listing he had up on his SR account. Whilst 6% a month does sound incredibly high, it's not unachievable, especially if, as we were led to believe, the money was mixing with the money of his "other clients".
For instance, pirateat40's Ponzi scheme was only revealed to be a Ponzi after 9 months (despite being incredibly dodgy from the very start to those who cared to check.) He was paying out 7% interest a WEEK, which is obviously completely unsustainable. However, a huge number of people successfully invested and withdrew their money during those 9 months. He managed to get away with 500K BTC, a not insignificant amount of which belonged to speculators, many of whom work in the finance industry (commodities, hedge funds etc.) themselves.
Greed was their motivator, and their downfall. The same can be said for people who put money into vlad1m1r's scheme which - I believe - he was then investing in pirateat40's Ponzi, acting as a sort of passthrough fund, though this is merely conjecture based on the timing of pirateat40's default and vlad1m1r's disappearance.
Essentially what I'm trying to say is that there was noting to indicate to anyone that vlad1m1r was running a Ponzi scheme himself, though it's quite likely that he was investing in one using his client's money. However there was no way for his client's to know this, and they took him at his word that he was using their money in a legitimate manner as he appeared to know what he was talking about. If people do their due diligence, it's unlikely they will lose their money, mais c'est la vie mon ami.
I can't +1 you again but I would for your statement that it's completely out of touch. Despite my argument above, you're completely right, his promises of 6% should indeed have thrown up red flags for people.
My main argument in that comment was punkst0ner's claims of a Ponzi when there was no actual evidence indicating that that was the case. Then again, there never is in a Ponzi until the whole thing comes crashing down. Just look at Bernard Madoff and how long he got away with it for, despite financially savvy individuals being his main investors.
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Of course not, all discussion about this is good discussion!
I'll address your points in the same manner as you brought them up, for ease (and because my posts are sometimes terribly long winded! :P)
a) There was no Ponzi scheme that anyone could see to begin with. People put their money into vlad1m1r's "investment program" because they assumed from his posts and statements that he could make them 6% per month by investing in various financial sectors. In hindsight, knowing what we now know (or at least assume to be correct), giving him money for this purpose was indeed incredibly naive. However, nothing seemed out of the ordinary at the time due to vlad1m1r's posts and persona here on the forum.
This is the first I can remember hearing about Vald's 'investment' scheme. Given current interest rates, 6% per month would have raised alarm bells with me. 6% per month is 72% per year -- NO investment pays that high a rate of interest.
I'm an unsophisticated as can be when it comes to finance, but even I realize that this is totally and completely out to lunch!
Guru
vlad1m1r's investment scheme was a listing he had up on his SR account. Whilst 6% a month does sound incredibly high, it's not unachievable, especially if, as we were led to believe, the money was mixing with the money of his "other clients".
For instance, pirateat40's Ponzi scheme was only revealed to be a Ponzi after 9 months (despite being incredibly dodgy from the very start to those who cared to check.) He was paying out 7% interest a WEEK, which is obviously completely unsustainable. However, a huge number of people successfully invested and withdrew their money during those 9 months. He managed to get away with 500K BTC, a not insignificant amount of which belonged to speculators, many of whom work in the finance industry (commodities, hedge funds etc.) themselves.
Greed was their motivator, and their downfall. The same can be said for people who put money into vlad1m1r's scheme which - I believe - he was then investing in pirateat40's Ponzi, acting as a sort of passthrough fund, though this is merely conjecture based on the timing of pirateat40's default and vlad1m1r's disappearance.
Essentially what I'm trying to say is that there was noting to indicate to anyone that vlad1m1r was running a Ponzi scheme himself, though it's quite likely that he was investing in one using his client's money. However there was no way for his client's to know this, and they took him at his word that he was using their money in a legitimate manner as he appeared to know what he was talking about. If people do their due diligence, it's unlikely they will lose their money, mais c'est la vie mon ami.
I can't +1 you again but I would for your statement that it's completely out of touch. Despite my argument above, you're completely right, his promises of 6% should indeed have thrown up red flags for people.
My main argument in that comment was punkst0ner's claims of a Ponzi when there was no actual evidence indicating that that was the case. Then again, there never is in a Ponzi until the whole thing comes crashing down. Just look at Bernard Madoff and how long he got away with it for, despite financially savvy individuals being his main investors.
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Madoff was being reported/called out for ten years.
To understand why he was not stopped earlier you have to understand markets and finance, the limitations of the regulatory bodies and how the regulatory bodies themselves are financed.
This is actually my field irl.
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There was no Ponzi scheme that anyone could see to begin with. People put their money into vlad1m1r's "investment program" because they assumed from his posts and statements that he could make them 6% per month by investing in various financial sectors. In hindsight, knowing what we now know (or at least assume to be correct), giving him money for this purpose was indeed incredibly naive. However, nothing seemed out of the ordinary at the time due to vlad1m1r's posts and persona here on the forum.
...but I'll wager that there are a lot of intelligent people who were suckered in by this. The old adage of investment rings true: never invest more than you can afford to lose. Unfortunately it seems there were many who failed to take heed of that warning.
I must admit this thread is the first time I'd heard of vlad1m1r's "investment program". This is causing me considerable disappointment, in him and anybody from here who was vested in it.
People should have come to me first to ask about the validity of this project and I'd have set them right in an instant. I never saw anybody making threads discussing this investment program. Link me if you can find them.
6% per month compounds to just over 100% ROI.
That does not make sense. There are indeed high risk investments in this world that have correspondingly high returns, in fact the black market is one of those places where spectacular financial returns are possible. But it still doesn't make sense.
Let us say that I, Pine, have a business plan that could result in a ROI in excess of several thousand percent per transaction cycle. However the skeptic in you should realize that plans of this nature *are never offered to 3rd party investors*. Because that would be mad! I could just sit pretty, with such a large ROI it makes little sense to split ownership. Why share the pie when I could have the whole pie? Before you say: "because the pie could be larger...", this (usually sound) argument only makes sense for where huge amounts of capital are required over a significant time frame e.g. it takes billions to build the infrastructure and decades of R&D for pharmaceuticals, but afterwards 10,000% returns on the drugs is quite unexceptional. Time + Risk determine ROI. For all types of investors, whether they call themselves that or no, the market coordinates time and interest with respect to the risks taken by the participants.
My point is that why would Vlad make an offer to share ownership with 3rd party investors... when it would be surely even cheaper to borrow money from his credit card or organize an overdraft with his bank manager? With a typical credit card's APR running at 15% per year, he could keep all the ownership and pay off his debt on his borrowings by waiting a mere 2-3 weeks max.
e.g. Vlad has requests 10k from credit card company or bank as he has no financing of his own. In one year that 10k has become just over 20k and he owes his financiers 11.5k, netting him a profit of 8.5k. Alternatively he could share ownership, creating no downside risk for him if the project fails, but decreasing his share of the pie by unknown variable x. I can't plot the trade off on a graph without more information, but even then intuitively it doesn't make sense.
100% return per year is outrageously high, never mind 'pirateat40''s ludicrous 7% per week!
For comparison; Look at these well known ROI (Return on Investment) statistics:
Investments on the stock market have an average ROI of ~10% over the long haul. It is even possible to get 15% ROI by being very careful about investment maintenance costs and placing your capital into high risk volatile investments. Volatility (the rate at which an investment increases or declines in value) as a rough rule of thumb is twice the return. So if you are a typical stock market investor then you're making 10% return average but should accept swings up or down of 20% over the course of a year or so as unexceptional.
Nobody, in world history, has ever managed to consistently obtain 100% returns ROI. Ever.
The richest investor in the world has historically had a return of approximately 20 - 25% ROI. You would have to be smarter and luckier than the smartest and luckiest man in history in order to consistently pull off 100% ROI. If you're getting the impression from me that it gets exponentially harder to achieve results the higher the ROI goes, congratulations, you're exactly right.
Result:
Somebody on the thread accused me of talking down to people. I believe it was primarily because at the time I was taking the piss out of people using the CIM system in a non-anonymous fashion, and I joked that they might as well be providing DNA swabs to LE.
Perhaps that does sound arrogant, off the cuff to some of you. But I just cannot believe perfect hindsight is required not to know putting your fingerprints (the thing that Vlad freaked me out with was that he said he didn't worry about fingerprints on the banknotes) on money related to a transaction involving illegal drugs is a foolish idea.
And once again, maybe Pine lecturing you on basic finance rubs you the wrong way since it is after the fact of a pyramid scheme collapsing and you believe that it wasn't obvious at the time. Or maybe you know it's true that if you'd contacted me I would have said exactly the same things I'm saying in this post, and this touches a raw nerve.
The fact of the matter is that nearly everybody in a pyramid scheme believes they will get out before everybody else, and greed keeps them there. That is the reason for Pine's lack of empathy. You're NOT the victims, you're becoming a scammer too. You see you think you can fool the next fellow out of his pocket. That comes close to being theft even though this is all done voluntarily and nobody can stop it.
Vlad, if he was involved in the priateat40 scheme, clearly thought he was smarter than the next guy. This is how ALL confidence tricks work! They make the victim the perpetrator of a crime so they can be ripped off without worrying about them going to the police. All con men were themselves victims of a confidence trick, which they themselves continue to implement. It's like a chain mail letter or a "IF U DONT POST THIS TO THE NEXT TEN PPL UR MOTHER WILL DIE" messages retarded people send each other on Facebook.
It's like this. Everybody makes mistakes, Pine included. The trick is not to repeat them. The most cost effective way to prevent them happening in the first place is to do your research by reading around the area involved. Then you learn from the mistakes of others instead of your own, much cheaper.
To put it more philosophically, pain is information, literally information to your brain telling you you're fucking up somehow. So, if you're sore, it's a reminder to listen to the little voice in the back of your mind warning you. Cherish your paranoia! Emotions are directly connected to your survival instincts, they're not irrelevant annoying throwbacks to a primaeval humanity that distract you from the really important something called 'Logic'.
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tldr; If Pine doesn't feel sorry for you, it's usually because you just don't deserve it, and deserve a lecture instead. If I were not a platypus, I would try to transmit whippings through the Internet. Respect is a commodity reserved for those who deserve it.
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It's kind of people to suggest I should become a moderator, but as discussed on other threads, my plan is to become a platypus instead.
You would need to prove you are a female for a start, and then prove the avatar picture was not you.
Because using your own picture as an avatar would be a dumb ass thing for a potential mod to even think about.
See what I'm saying??
No. A platypus does not need to prove it is a platypus. I won't even show you my picture from my platypus passport.
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This is turning into a bunch of LEO stroking each other off in this thread. Stop trying so hard to be accepted you pig bastards.
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Apologies for messing up the quote fields above! Only getting back online now so didn't notice it!
I'll respond to you guys tomorrow though (punkst0ner & pine (you're getting as bad as me with the long posts pine! :P))as I'm just about to run out the door. I appreciate the intelligent discussion though folks, always nice to bounce thoughts around with like-minded people, though our views on certain things may differ. Hell, that's what makes it fun, right! Have a good night all, whatever you're getting up to! :)
Even you spacecase #2, you crazy lil' rascal you. :-*
- grahamgreene
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Apologies for messing up the quote fields above! Only getting back online now so didn't notice it!
I'll respond to you guys tomorrow though (punkst0ner & pine (you're getting as bad as me with the long posts pine! :P))as I'm just about to run out the door. I appreciate the intelligent discussion though folks, always nice to bounce thoughts around with like-minded people, though our views on certain things may differ. Hell, that's what makes it fun, right! Have a good night all, whatever you're getting up to! :)
Even you spacecase #2, you crazy lil' rascal you. :-*
- grahamgreene
Have a good evening Graham.
Sorry if I seem a little to abrupt at times!
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It's kind of people to suggest I should become a moderator, but as discussed on other threads, my plan is to become a platypus instead.
You would need to prove you are a female for a start, and then prove the avatar picture was not you.
Because using your own picture as an avatar would be a dumb ass thing for a potential mod to even think about.
See what I'm saying??
No. A platypus does not need to prove it is a platypus. I won't even show you my picture from my platypus passport.
My god, that is brilliant. (And admittedly the first thing I've read today after wake & bake)
For me, the existential brilliance in that one simple statement qualifies you for any title you want, PlatyPine. It's as if you just divided yourself by zero and won.
sorry.... /derail off
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Any news on Vlad1m1r and Limetless then!?????? ;D ;D LOL???? Fuck it im stoned!!!
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Any news on Vlad1m1r and Limetless then!?????? ;D ;D LOL???? Fuck it im stoned!!!
Just ate one of delta11's cookies mmm this thread is entertaining indeed.
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I'll respond to you guys tomorrow though (punkst0ner & pine (you're getting as bad as me with the long posts pine! :P))
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Hark at thee, I was making Wall o' Text when you were a young 'un.
No. A platypus does not need to prove it is a platypus. I won't even show you my picture from my platypus passport.
My god, that is brilliant. (And admittedly the first thing I've read today after wake & bake)
For me, the existential brilliance in that one simple statement qualifies you for any title you want, PlatyPine. It's as if you just divided yourself by zero and won.
sorry.... /derail off
I know, that's what I thought too.
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Would be surprised if Lim ever came back either. If he does, I can't imagine many people trusting him anymore. He always seemed to react very angrily to rumours about him being that guy who scammed people with the legal highs. This would answer why he didn't sell coke as he probably had more meph to move on. Innocent until proven guilty, perhaps he can talk his way out. Anyone ever buy precursors off him? Great way to track dealers.
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I used Vlad's service countless times and recently recommended him to a friend, of course this happens the week that he decides to have a disappearing act. So now that my friend has been robbed of £200 I decided to do some digging on the now infamous vlad... and for someone who took privacy so seriously he did not do a good job outside of silkroad. Within about 5 mins I managed to find pictures of him as well as plenty of info into his life. All leads point to a scam that involves him & limitless vanishing with plenty of peoples money, is he going to just get off scott free?
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=39664.0
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So whats the official Limetless due back date? The questions need to be asked and suspicions raised, but all out bullying of someone who cant defend themself needs to stop. arent we all here so the local thug drug dealer cant bully our skinny computer nerd asses into shitter drugs because we cant use coercian in return?
Anyway, why the fuck dont the lim haters come out when his here, he seems to be loved whenever his posting 500 times a day.
Also, can we get any vendors to vouch for hid ML services. no details, just that you have paid him, and its helped you and been effective. fair enough question?
BC
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Can I just remind everyone that it was Vlad that scammed people, not Lim. People seem to be making very tenuous connections between the two. As far as i can remember they were civil and respectful of each other but thats about it, I don't ever remember Lim recommending vlad or vice versa, they always pushed their own services but not each others. I recommended Vlad to a few buyers that messaged me asking for advice on obtaining bitcoins and I came close to using him when Intersango went tits up, in fact it was only because he didn't answer a message from me that i didn't go ahead with him and went and found another exchange instead, I'm counting my lucky stars because I couldn't afford to lose that money.
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So whats the official Limetless due back date? The questions need to be asked and suspicions raised, but all out bullying of someone who cant defend themself needs to stop. arent we all here so the local thug drug dealer cant bully our skinny computer nerd asses into shitter drugs because we cant use coercian in return?
Anyway, why the fuck dont the lim haters come out when his here, he seems to be loved whenever his posting 500 times a day.
Also, can we get any vendors to vouch for hid ML services. no details, just that you have paid him, and its helped you and been effective. fair enough question?
BC
Here is a link to a thread on Lim's ML services. It seems a few vendors have used it:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=20211.0
EDIT: I just had a look at that thread and here is a quote from it, that suggests that Lim and Vlad don't know each other in real life.
Funny that... Esp with the money to be made/lost with the fluctuating Bitcoin market!
Vladimir offers some around similar lines, although he's more banking and investments!
Do you mean the guy who does Ukash for BitCoin or something along those lines? Yeah I've talked to him a few times, he seems ok. What I do is different however. My service is about how to manipulate the financial system and banking rather than just turning BTC into hard cash because that isn't actually laundered funds, it's just unaccountable proceeds.
While I think it is a strange co-incidence that Lim went on holidays at the same time as Vlad packed up and scammed people, at least wait for him to come back before questioning his integrity.
I'm not saying that to suck his dick. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, but everyone should have a chance to defend themselves before being thrown to the dogs. Just saying...
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So whats the official Limetless due back date? The questions need to be asked and suspicions raised, but all out bullying of someone who cant defend themself needs to stop. arent we all here so the local thug drug dealer cant bully our skinny computer nerd asses into shitter drugs because we cant use coercian in return?
Anyway, why the fuck dont the lim haters come out when his here, he seems to be loved whenever his posting 500 times a day.
Also, can we get any vendors to vouch for hid ML services. no details, just that you have paid him, and its helped you and been effective. fair enough question?
BC
Here is a link to a thread on Lim's ML services. It seems a few vendors have used it:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=20211.0
EDIT: I just had a look at that thread and here is a quote from it, that suggests that Lim and Vlad don't know each other in real life.
Funny that... Esp with the money to be made/lost with the fluctuating Bitcoin market!
Vladimir offers some around similar lines, although he's more banking and investments!
Do you mean the guy who does Ukash for BitCoin or something along those lines? Yeah I've talked to him a few times, he seems ok. What I do is different however. My service is about how to manipulate the financial system and banking rather than just turning BTC into hard cash because that isn't actually laundered funds, it's just unaccountable proceeds.
While I think it is a strange co-incidence that Lim went on holidays at the same time as Vlad packed up and scammed people, at least wait for him to come back before questioning his integrity.
I'm not saying that to suck his dick. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, but everyone should have a chance to defend themselves before being thrown to the dogs. Just saying...
Exactly suspect questions must be asked of any high up community member if they are there. Another how SR is improving the drug trade,if this was RL we may have the death of human beings on our hands, instead of just some negs and a deleted account. I dont advocate that but coercion of some sort is needed in any black market although killing anyone is against the spirt of libertarianism...........Unless your in 120 days of Sodom
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I already created a thread advising people not to purchase from Limetless until he returns, i deleted the thread as i decided that i wouldn't want to hurt his business if he does turn out to be innocent, i would still urge people to be cautious when purchasing from Limetless during his 'holiday', shit be smelling fishy.
Cant wait for his return, this whole thing is a shitstorm, and i keep thinking that Oscarzulu the scammer who was selling college degrees for pennies is involved in this mess, afterall Vlad was one of the people backing Oscar in that thread even though it was an obvious scam.
/popcorn
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a staff guy on the bit forum has taken 10 000 bitcoins in bets at evens that pirate pays everyone back .people using the bet to hedge incase he dosnt pay them and 1 guy said why are u confident hes not going to run when your side kick vlad is saying hes gone .so vlad has been scammed and he decided to keep what u guys give him
i doubt lim had out to do with it and i doubt vlad intended to do it coz any scammer would never leave so much info (if hes the clearnet vlad)
has lim started asking for FE and scamming his customers if not u must think he is vlad which i doubt .oscar was friendly with em both and people fell for the most crazy scam ever and i mean long term members believed he could get oxford/cambridge degrees for £400
if lim was getting vlad to sell his coins they might both of been nicked ,they both give far too much info out and taunt the cops all the time and would be the 2 easiest to catch
no vendor should use these coin guys to cash out some will be cops
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Is there no chance of me receiving my bitcoins off Vlad? I was looking so forward to using the road:( My first time i try get bitcoins i get fucked over for almost 300euro >:(
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a staff guy on the bit forum has taken 10 000 bitcoins in bets at evens that pirate pays everyone back .people using the bet to hedge incase he dosnt pay them and 1 guy said why are u confident hes not going to run when your side kick vlad is saying hes gone .so vlad has been scammed and he decided to keep what u guys give him
i doubt lim had out to do with it and i doubt vlad intended to do it coz any scammer would never leave so much info (if hes the clearnet vlad)
has lim started asking for FE and scamming his customers if not u must think he is vlad which i doubt .oscar was friendly with em both and people fell for the most crazy scam ever and i mean long term members believed he could get oxford/cambridge degrees for £400
if lim was getting vlad to sell his coins they might both of been nicked ,they both give far too much info out and taunt the cops all the time and would be the 2 easiest to catch
no vendor should use these coin guys to cash out some will be cops
Lolz lolz lolz.lulz lolz lulz
There is a lot more to a Russel Group university degree than just a certificate.
I have one, as do many of my friends. I can spot someone who bullshits about educational qualifications very easily indeed. It's just one of the many skills I learned whilst REALLY studying at a world class institution.
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i was amazed aswell but it seems coz he was friends with lim and vlad or some other fuked up reason people believed he could get a degree from any uni in the world and fed them some shit and gave them id numbers with too many numbers it was an all time classic but its the thread that was recently deleted
if u new read the tony76 thread thats right up there as well he had the buyers telling him to make everyone FE and begging to FE for him it was un real all coz he made some shit up about some one threatening to scam him on shit loads of buyers accounts but he said european ones and he didnt even serve europe but no one thought it was wierd
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A lot of us got burned by vladamir. Now that his details are out there I can't even go check if the address is public because one or a few of you fucktards have either threatened to or have actually done it - passed his information onto PE...so while those of you who are not arsed because you only received coins in a wallet I've been having to scrub bank accounts I had him paying into, so fuck whoever did that in the arse with a dick made of shit..
and heres a quote from someone and this is why i was saying to not grass just to try getting vlad in trouble it causes shit to others aswell anyone doing that dosnt belong here
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Anyone even thinking about talking to LE about this situation should not be in this game, we are buying illegal goods and nothing is safe, you could get ripped off in real life and there is jack shit you can do about it. For anyone who took the risk and sent money through the mail to an anonymous person who they met on the internet has to harden the fuck up and accept the loss, if you lost more than you were willing to lose then more fool you, this is life.
LE wont help you get your money back and speaking to them in general is a bitch move, this community is about true freedom and anyone who believes in this also knows that we dont need or want LE in our lives at all.
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Anyone even thinking about talking to LE about this situation should not be in this game, we are buying illegal goods and nothing is safe, you could get ripped off in real life and there is jack shit you can do about it. For anyone who took the risk and sent money through the mail to an anonymous person who they met on the internet has to harden the fuck up and accept the loss, if you lost more than you were willing to lose then more fool you, this is life.
LE wont help you get your money back and speaking to them in general is a bitch move, this community is about true freedom and anyone who believes in this also knows that we dont need or want LE in our lives at all.
If somebody wanted to get to Vlad-the-scammer they certainly could.
Jack shit you can do about it?? Haha. Mate, you are so, so far off base it's unreal.
I know many heads that would bring me some pictures of Vlad bloodied up good and maybe a video of him begging for forgiveness as he is pissing himself for much less than £500.00 including expenses.
Jack shit? Think again.
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Like the JWH-019 he imports from china at about $4 a gram and sells for $44.97?
hm, ketamine from india can go for as low as $6 a gram per kilo, most 2c-x drugs are under ten bucks per gram for kilos, etc. Pretty much every drug is cheaper than shit if you get a kilo of it and import it from the source country, and the reason people mark them up so high is because they are taking the risk of importing kilos of drugs from shady overseas labs and then shipping them out in tiny chunks to customers. Every single vendor here selling product for personal use is marking their shit up sky high compared to what they pay, if they are getting bulk from the source. You could get JWH for those prices too, why don't you find a Chinese supplier and import a kilo of it?
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Anyone even thinking about talking to LE about this situation should not be in this game, we are buying illegal goods and nothing is safe, you could get ripped off in real life and there is jack shit you can do about it. For anyone who took the risk and sent money through the mail to an anonymous person who they met on the internet has to harden the fuck up and accept the loss, if you lost more than you were willing to lose then more fool you, this is life.
LE wont help you get your money back and speaking to them in general is a bitch move, this community is about true freedom and anyone who believes in this also knows that we dont need or want LE in our lives at all.
If somebody wanted to get to Vlad-the-scammer they certainly could.
Jack shit you can do about it?? Haha. Mate, you are so, so far off base it's unreal.
I know many heads that would bring me some pictures of Vlad bloodied up good and maybe a video of him begging for forgiveness as he is pissing himself for much less than £500.00 including expenses.
Jack shit? Think again.
I was referring to getting ripped off in real life and there is jack shit you can do about it by telling LE, perhaps i could have worded that better but it comes with the territory of writing while wasted. I didn't mean to rustle your Jimmies!
Anyhow you should put your money where your mouth is, you seem like a real badass, i would hate to be on the wrong side of a guy named Punkstoner on the internet.
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I notice that you cannot view a flash video on the Tor network without threatening your security. There is no reasonable way to view flash over Tor without it possibly compromising you. You have to undo some settings if you wanted that to work. So I expect the people who watched that video did so on clearnet. Tell me, does this video have single/double digit views? Because if so you had better lie low, remove electronics and contraband from your dwelling etc for a while.
I am guilty. Oops.
However, what am I guilty of? Being a member of a forum with a new free philosophy on life and trade that includes drugs? Or that I take an interest in a particular scam to defraud people out of their cash so I do a little research to see who this villain is, and marvel at his splendid eyebrows? Am I really that interesting to LE?
Oh, and his hits were around 1.4k I think. I may have escaped. Phew.
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Like the JWH-019 he imports from china at about $4 a gram and sells for $44.97?
hm, ketamine from india can go for as low as $6 a gram per kilo, most 2c-x drugs are under ten bucks per gram for kilos, etc. Pretty much every drug is cheaper than shit if you get a kilo of it and import it from the source country, and the reason people mark them up so high is because they are taking the risk of importing kilos of drugs from shady overseas labs and then shipping them out in tiny chunks to customers. Every single vendor here selling product for personal use is marking their shit up sky high compared to what they pay, if they are getting bulk from the source. You could get JWH for those prices too, why don't you find a Chinese supplier and import a kilo of it?
couldnt have said it better. With risk comes with reward, which is why you are going to pay huge markups on anything in the black market, if you dont like it take it to Consumer Affairs.........oh wait.
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What half you fucktards need to worry about is Vlad/Lim being same person, or both LE infiltrators. I dont want to accuse anyone of anything but the possibility must be considered and Lims powers as a moderator i hope werent to great. The other thing they both have access to details of Vendors on here. Vlad through his CIM scheme (vendors adresses,idiots) and lims possibility to maybe profile Vendors who have used the exact method of banking transactions or whatever the hell Limetless use to tell his ML clients. Far-fetched? Maybe but lets stop jumping to conclusions and try and assess the evidence like adult investigators, after all, theres adult investigators working against us while we tear each other apart from the inside.
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What half you fucktards need to worry about is Vlad/Lim being same person, or both LE infiltrators. I dont want to accuse anyone of anything but the possibility must be considered and Lims powers as a moderator i hope werent to great. The other thing they both have access to details of Vendors on here. Vlad through his CIM scheme (vendors adresses,idiots) and lims possibility to maybe profile Vendors who have used the exact method of banking transactions or whatever the hell Limetless use to tell his ML clients. Far-fetched? Maybe but lets stop jumping to conclusions and try and assess the evidence like adult investigators, after all, theres adult investigators working against us while we tear each other apart from the inside.
Bravo. Bravo :)
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What an odd coincidence that this story is evolving right after that research paper was discussed—the one outlining strategies for group infiltration and disruption.
Anyone heard from Lim yet?
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Exactly.
I just read through the Limetless ML review thread and although theres heaps of dribble in there, there does appear to be some vendors vouching for him. However alot more coming forward would really help confirm that he does know what his talking about. That could help with the Opportunistic Scammer tag but not the LE one. Sorry Lim
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Jeez, you guys and your pitchforks ...
Am I the only one still saying a prayer for Vlad?
Admittedly my earlier comments were premature and naive ("he'll be back, etc."), but that was before his accounts were deleted and now things look very different.
But even now I don't believe he scammed us.
Did anyone hear from him after Monday 20th? Not that I know of. Did he conduct any business on SR after that day? Probably not, unless anyone can say otherwise. So why would he wait a week to delete his accounts, unless he had no choice? If it was an intentional scam, he would have planned ahead and done it all at once.
I think it's far more likely he got unwanted attention from LE.
He wrote on the forum a while back saying all the RMSD envelopes had been opened by customs. Customs would have found that all the envelopes contained only cash and a reference number. Any LEO could have easily linked that address to Vlad (the SR entity) just by placing an order.
On that basis LE would certainly have Vlad's "man on the ground", and given that they waited another two months to make their move, they might also have Vlad himself (whoever he may be IRL) or someone they think might be Vlad, perhaps only on circumstantial evidence and correlation between forum posts and RL activities.
If any of that is true, consider the following:
1. He wouldn't have any money left. Even if they didn't get Vlad but only got his colleague and some other random guy (the guy on youtube and facebook), LE would have taken all mail sent to that address, any cash held at that address, all computers and memory sticks (i.e. Bitcoin wallets), and perhaps frozen the bank accounts they were using. Therefore no choice but to "rip off" anyone on SR to whom he owed money.
2. He has not given up the names/addresses of vendors using his cashout service, despite (presumably) extreme pressure to do so. Perhaps because of meticulous non-record-keeping and/or encryption, or by sheer fortitude, but either way commendable.
3. This discussion probably isn't helping his case, or that of his colleague.
4. The sudden and complete lack of faith, on the part of those who previously praised and/or recommended him (and there are many), probably isn't helping his resolve to protect the rest of us from LE.
Does this not seem like the kind of attack on SR that LE would try to make?
Posing as a buyer wouldn't get them any more information on sellers.
Posing as a seller wouldn't get them anything more than the addresses of a few buyers, not worth attacking.
Taking down Vlad on the other hand, from their point of view MIGHT get them information on sellers who used his cashout service (but hasn't yet), and at the very least would make things more difficult for people here, as well as taking some of our money and giving them something to boast about. Sounds like LE to me, but I guess we'll see in the coming months.
Perhaps this is just playing devil's advocate (no pun intended), but there hasn't been much discussion about this possibility, and I think it's the most likely explanation.
Coincidentally this would also get Limetless off the hook :) So I dutifully point out that I am not Lim or one of his alts or minions, but neither do I see what any of this has to do with him.
But if you really want to be optimistic about it, consider this:
They don't have the real Vlad. They have the guy who calls himself Vlad1m1r on youtube and facebook etc. who doesn't know what the fuck is going on, and they have the real Vlad's colleague who also doesn't know anything about SR and was only doing his job, following instructions to take cash in the mail and bank it and send reference numbers to an anonymous email address, none of which is illegal. Consequently LE can't prosecute either of them. So we won't see in the coming months, because there will be no court case and no report in the press, and the unbelievers here will continue to think they've been scammed by a halfwitted greedy cunt, never knowing that that same cunt actually protected them.
Any thoughts?
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as much as i feel for everyone scammeed by vlad and age agree that natural order (violence) does have place in the primal insticts of humans, I think as a communityy violence against vlad isnt what we stand for. infact i thought we didn't stand for violence at all and cant be making exemptions, same as with doxxing people. Dont get me wrong, in reality im quite and agressive person with a short temper, a fault i am well aware of, however if we are to stay strong as a communityy we need to abide by communityy standards with the same rules for everyone. Its the same reason brehvik only got 21 years jail. The rules cant be changed for anyone.
Cliffs:
no violence or doxxing
stay civil you phaggots
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SInce this thread strated, ive had the feeling that this clearnet vladimir is just a front, an not the real vlad. i dont think someone in that business would be so stupid. iThink he was actually smart enough to use someone elses clearnet and irl info as his own, and he probably had this as his escape plan the whole time...
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Jeez, you guys and your pitchforks ...
Am I the only one still saying a prayer for Vlad?
Admittedly my earlier comments were premature and naive ("he'll be back, etc."), but that was before his accounts were deleted and now things look very different.
But even now I don't believe he scammed us.
Did anyone hear from him after Monday 20th? Not that I know of. Did he conduct any business on SR after that day? Probably not, unless anyone can say otherwise. So why would he wait a week to delete his accounts, unless he had no choice? If it was an intentional scam, he would have planned ahead and done it all at once.
I think it's far more likely he got unwanted attention from LE.
He wrote on the forum a while back saying all the RMSD envelopes had been opened by customs. Customs would have found that all the envelopes contained only cash and a reference number. Any LEO could have easily linked that address to Vlad (the SR entity) just by placing an order.
On that basis LE would certainly have Vlad's "man on the ground", and given that they waited another two months to make their move, they might also have Vlad himself (whoever he may be IRL) or someone they think might be Vlad, perhaps only on circumstantial evidence and correlation between forum posts and RL activities.
If any of that is true, consider the following:
1. He wouldn't have any money left. Even if they didn't get Vlad but only got his colleague and some other random guy (the guy on youtube and facebook), LE would have taken all mail sent to that address, any cash held at that address, all computers and memory sticks (i.e. Bitcoin wallets), and perhaps frozen the bank accounts they were using. Therefore no choice but to "rip off" anyone on SR to whom he owed money.
2. He has not given up the names/addresses of vendors using his cashout service, despite (presumably) extreme pressure to do so. Perhaps because of meticulous non-record-keeping and/or encryption, or by sheer fortitude, but either way commendable.
3. This discussion probably isn't helping his case, or that of his colleague.
4. The sudden and complete lack of faith, on the part of those who previously praised and/or recommended him (and there are many), probably isn't helping his resolve to protect the rest of us from LE.
Does this not seem like the kind of attack on SR that LE would try to make?
Posing as a buyer wouldn't get them any more information on sellers.
Posing as a seller wouldn't get them anything more than the addresses of a few buyers, not worth attacking.
Taking down Vlad on the other hand, from their point of view MIGHT get them information on sellers who used his cashout service (but hasn't yet), and at the very least would make things more difficult for people here, as well as taking some of our money and giving them something to boast about. Sounds like LE to me, but I guess we'll see in the coming months.
Perhaps this is just playing devil's advocate (no pun intended), but there hasn't been much discussion about this possibility, and I think it's the most likely explanation.
Coincidentally this would also get Limetless off the hook :) So I dutifully point out that I am not Lim or one of his alts or minions, but neither do I see what any of this has to do with him.
But if you really want to be optimistic about it, consider this:
They don't have the real Vlad. They have the guy who calls himself Vlad1m1r on youtube and facebook etc. who doesn't know what the fuck is going on, and they have the real Vlad's colleague who also doesn't know anything about SR and was only doing his job, following instructions to take cash in the mail and bank it and send reference numbers to an anonymous email address, none of which is illegal. Consequently LE can't prosecute either of them. So we won't see in the coming months, because there will be no court case and no report in the press, and the unbelievers here will continue to think they've been scammed by a halfwitted greedy cunt, never knowing that that same cunt actually protected them.
Any thoughts?
Great, well balanced post. :)
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SInce this thread strated, ive had the feeling that this clearnet vladimir is just a front, an not the real vlad. i dont think someone in that business would be so stupid. iThink he was actually smart enough to use someone elses clearnet and irl info as his own, and he probably had this as his escape plan the whole time...
yeah thats already been suggested another reason why im suggesting against vigilante justice. or it could be a honeypot
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What half you fucktards need to worry about is Vlad/Lim being same person, or both LE infiltrators. I dont want to accuse anyone of anything but the possibility must be considered and Lims powers as a moderator i hope werent to great. The other thing they both have access to details of Vendors on here. Vlad through his CIM scheme (vendors adresses,idiots) and lims possibility to maybe profile Vendors who have used the exact method of banking transactions or whatever the hell Limetless use to tell his ML clients. Far-fetched? Maybe but lets stop jumping to conclusions and try and assess the evidence like adult investigators, after all, theres adult investigators working against us while we tear each other apart from the inside.
BC, mate I really get a laugh out of reading your posts on this Forum, :) but I want you to clear up a few things in your post for me if you don't mind. Why do we need to worry about Vlad/Lim being the same person?Does it matter if they are and how would that be any different to it being 2 separate blokes, considering the damage has now been done. The level of shock and unbelievability that revelation would cause the majority of the SR community, weather it's 1 or 2 people, the scam perpetuated will still be on the same scale, regardless. If they were Police, surely they would be trying to infiltrate the inner circle and secrecy which plays a major role in the success of this site. I can't see what Police, pretending to be 2 vendors and ripping off mostly buyers and some vendors, would achieve other than farming for addresses of buyers who made purchases from them or by making gradual advances through being a vendor and establishing trust throughout the SR Community, continually pushing towards their ultimate goal and of bringing this site down and the capturing DPR, it's creator. Just to clarify, is a fucktard a cross between a fuck wit and a retard? Haven't heard that one before so I;m just asking. I don't believe a Mod (as Lim was) is given too much power as often there are things on this Forum that require immediate attention however, with power comes responsibility and accountability. Although Lim was a Mod, there should have been some checks and balances put in place by DPR and others running the site to ensure this sites protection and preclude certain things from ever happening here again. What exactly are you suggesting Lim would have got out of profiling a vendor's profile who booked a session with him that he probably would have known already, considering the vendor is the one who made arrangements for the session to learn some techniques off Lim, not the other way around. I believe even though Lim was selling vendors methods of laundering their BTC, he would of kept a few tried and tested methods of his own up his sleeve, in the event Authorities ever received information or were tipped off on the methods he used to Launder his Bitcoins and teach some "trusted" others, who after paying a fee, were taught the "tricks of the trade" in cashing out large amounts of BTC discreetly but more importantly, anonymously.
BC, there are many members posting here, there and everywhere on this Forum who have undoubtedly already made up their minds. They will continue to speculate on how this will play out over the coming days/weeks, cause until there is some definitive proof one way or the other, which conclusively shows beyond a shadow of doubt that this person or persons as the case may be who committed the crime are found to be 100% guilty, this thread will continue to bubble along in the meantime. But Ben, if I'm being honest, there is a fair bit of innuendo and speculation coming out of your corner. :) ;) As far as I'm concerned, this sort of spirited debate, or discussion, will eventually whittle away at the lies and untruths told by some and expose what really happened for all to see. There is one side of this story which is obviously the truth, or close to it, and then there's the other side, who have and will continue to, lie their ass off and never admit any wrong doing as there very well could be some dire consequences for that person/s at anytime into the future.
Sorry for the length of this post. I just realized how fucken long and monotonous it is. :)
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What half you fucktards need to worry about is Vlad/Lim being same person, or both LE infiltrators. I dont want to accuse anyone of anything but the possibility must be considered and Lims powers as a moderator i hope werent to great. The other thing they both have access to details of Vendors on here. Vlad through his CIM scheme (vendors adresses,idiots) and lims possibility to maybe profile Vendors who have used the exact method of banking transactions or whatever the hell Limetless use to tell his ML clients. Far-fetched? Maybe but lets stop jumping to conclusions and try and assess the evidence like adult investigators, after all, theres adult investigators working against us while we tear each other apart from the inside.
BC, mate I really get a laugh out of reading your posts on this Forum, :) but I want you to clear up a few things in your post for me if you don't mind. Why do we need to worry about Vlad/Lim being the same person?Does it matter if they are and how would that be any different to it being 2 separate blokes, considering the damage has now been done. The level of shock and unbelievability that revelation would cause the majority of the SR community, weather it's 1 or 2 people, the scam perpetuated will still be on the same scale, regardless. If they were Police, surely they would be trying to infiltrate the inner circle and secrecy which plays a major role in the success of this site. I can't see what Police, pretending to be 2 vendors and ripping off mostly buyers and some vendors, would achieve other than farming for addresses of buyers who made purchases from them or by making gradual advances through being a vendor and establishing trust throughout the SR Community, continually pushing towards their ultimate goal and of bringing this site down and the capturing DPR, it's creator. Just to clarify, is a fucktard a cross between a fuck wit and a retard? Haven't heard that one before so I;m just asking. I don't believe a Mod (as Lim was) is given too much power as often there are things on this Forum that require immediate attention however, with power comes responsibility and accountability. Although Lim was a Mod, there should have been some checks and balances put in place by DPR and others running the site to ensure this sites protection and preclude certain things from ever happening here again. What exactly are you suggesting Lim would have got out of profiling a vendor's profile who booked a session with him that he probably would have known already, considering the vendor is the one who made arrangements for the session to learn some techniques off Lim, not the other way around. I believe even though Lim was selling vendors methods of laundering their BTC, he would of kept a few tried and tested methods of his own up his sleeve, in the event Authorities ever received information or were tipped off on the methods he used to Launder his Bitcoins and teach some "trusted" others, who after paying a fee, were taught the "tricks of the trade" in cashing out large amounts of BTC discreetly but more importantly, anonymously.
BC, there are many members posting here, there and everywhere on this Forum who have undoubtedly already made up their minds. They will continue to speculate on how this will play out over the coming days/weeks, cause until there is some definitive proof one way or the other, which conclusively shows beyond a shadow of doubt that this person or persons as the case may be who committed the crime are found to be 100% guilty, this thread will continue to bubble along in the meantime. But Ben, if I'm being honest, there is a fair bit of innuendo and speculation coming out of your corner. :) ;) As far as I'm concerned, this sort of spirited debate, or discussion, will eventually whittle away at the lies and untruths told by some and expose what really happened for all to see. There is one side of this story which is obviously the truth, or close to it, and then there's the other side, who have and will continue to, lie their ass off and never admit any wrong doing as there very well could be some dire consequences for that person/s at anytime into the future.
Sorry for the length of this post. I just realized how fucken long and monotonous it is. :)
I apolagize for any innuendo i just want as many members as possible to keep the question in there head. If you read through all my posts tonight while on my shard fueled rampage you will see that im trying to stay as neutral as possible and am defending Limetless from oprtunistic bullying that is only just now appearing that his gone as my general perception was that he was overall well liked before this but it doesnt seem the case. But i am also encouraging questions be asked. go to my profile>posts and you will see most your questions answered over the course of posts ive made tonight.
The fucktard reference is just keeping some good ol aussie humour going in this serious situaion, it probably doesnt mean anything, like calling all your mates cunts and your enemies mates. Those bloody yanks never seem to get it though and think we are serious, being an aussie you should get this wadozo.
Vlad/Lim same person working together is no different to same person. my concern is a classic infiltration attack by LE ( and if they have pulld this off all kudos as it has been done well). Lim and Vlad both have ways to deanonymize vendors.
My opinion on DPR is that he/she's is named appropriately. Wiki the princess bride. The Dread pirate Roberts is not one person.
Sorry im fried so cant answer all those questions but if you go through all my posts and i thnk you will find all the answers in other threads etc,
if there is any more feel free to ask more.
Stay Vigilant Fucktards and i should be getting more +karma (cue negs)
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If they were Police, surely they would be trying to infiltrate the inner circle and secrecy which plays a major role in the success of this site.
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Certainly we're using things like encryption, but the real strength of SR is in the network itself.
The default assumption is that everybody, including the administrators, are Law Enforcement. The reason why it works is precisely because we don't have to trust each other, and we trust in cryptographic strength instead. That's hard for for LE to comprehend, they've been facing hierarchical structured organized crime for decades, but now they're facing something rather different.
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So much LOL. I lie awake at night giggling feverishly thinking about all the new possibilities, this is better than any drug.
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If they were Police, surely they would be trying to infiltrate the inner circle and secrecy which plays a major role in the success of this site.
nope.jpg
Certainly we're using things like encryption, but the real strength of SR is in the network itself.
The default assumption is that everybody, including the administrators, are Law Enforcement. The reason why it works is precisely because we don't have to trust each other, and we trust in cryptographic strength instead. That's hard for for LE to comprehend, they've been facing hierarchical structured organized crime for decades, but now they're facing something rather different.
OhShitItsTheInternet.jpg
So much LOL. I lie awake at night giggling feverishly thinking about all the new possibilities, this is better than any drug.
exactly everyone here is LE. Anyway the consequences of Limetless Really being LE is gonna cause a huge gash in the community, people will be splintered, people will leave, will be a massive blow not only to SR but the idea and SR predecesssors as a whole. its psy-ops. here we have an idea that cant be killed and they know that, So why not try and place misrust amongst our little communitty that holds this place together so well, and someone like Limetless who i would consider the highest up without being parto the original team or whatever, reveled to be LE would cause mass panic. I rkn it would kind of be like a bank rush.
BC
fuck can never get in the + reps. work so hard to get even and then someone has to neg me. Im not that pulverizing am i? or is it just the aussies who understand the weird sense of humour?
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How the fuck did we get from "Vlad1m1r has gone rogue" to "Limetless is LE"?
look Vlad fucked off with some money, he was gone for a week due to "sickness" and he never really came back, he did come and comment on his thread about him being sick (a reply to my comment) but that was the last anyone saw of him, shortly afterwards his accounts were deleted. Limetless went on holiday between Vlad's sick note and the account deletions, he also said he was going on holiday for a bit anyway so once again, I ask, how the fuck did this thread transmography into hate Limetless when Vlad took the cash?
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To survive here, you must assume everyone you talk to and meet is LE. Just saying. Doesn't mean they really are, but you must be careful. It's not a big deal, I'm sure people think I'm LE, DPR is LE, etc etc. Just move along and conduct business as usual.
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How the fuck did we get from "Vlad1m1r has gone rogue" to "Limetless is LE"?
look Vlad fucked off with some money, he was gone for a week due to "sickness" and he never really came back, he did come and comment on his thread about him being sick (a reply to my comment) but that was the last anyone saw of him, shortly afterwards his accounts were deleted. Limetless went on holiday between Vlad's sick note and the account deletions, he also said he was going on holiday for a bit anyway so once again, I ask, how the fuck did this thread transmography into hate Limetless when Vlad took the cash?
cant wait for lims return, hes gonna freak out, in the special way only lim can (or people of a certain age group), i think hes innocent fwiw, and im definately not a fan of him, shify fucker for sure/
Can a mod or DPR confirm who deleted V account and posts? rather than lurking DPR tell someone. Lets conclude that mystery at least, its been a interesting few days neway.
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How the fuck did we get from "Vlad1m1r has gone rogue" to "Limetless is LE"?
look Vlad fucked off with some money, he was gone for a week due to "sickness" and he never really came back, he did come and comment on his thread about him being sick (a reply to my comment) but that was the last anyone saw of him, shortly afterwards his accounts were deleted. Limetless went on holiday between Vlad's sick note and the account deletions, he also said he was going on holiday for a bit anyway so once again, I ask, how the fuck did this thread transmography into hate Limetless when Vlad took the cash?
cant wait for lims return, hes gonna freak out, in the special way only lim can (or people of a certain age group), i think hes innocent fwiw, and im definately not a fan of him, shify fucker for sure/
Can a mod or DPR confirm who deleted V account and posts? rather than lurking DPR tell someone. Lets conclude that mystery at least, its been a interesting few days neway.
Just the worst case scenario we need to prepare for. I actually cant wait for Lim to get back and see his reaction and ive been one of the main people raising suspicions. IT will be a releif when he finally does come back and explains everything and assures us the worst case scenario hasnt occured. His reaction will be golden aswell although i may bare the brunt of some of it, but i believe i have been fair.
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If they were Police, surely they would be trying to infiltrate the inner circle and secrecy which plays a major role in the success of this site.
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Certainly we're using things like encryption, but the real strength of SR is in the network itself.
The default assumption is that everybody, including the administrators, are Law Enforcement. The reason why it works is precisely because we don't have to trust each other, and we trust in cryptographic strength instead. That's hard for for LE to comprehend, they've been facing hierarchical structured organized crime for decades, but now they're facing something rather different.
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So much LOL. I lie awake at night giggling feverishly thinking about all the new possibilities, this is better than any drug.
exactly everyone here is LE. Anyway the consequences of Limetless Really being LE is gonna cause a huge gash in the community, people will be splintered, people will leave, will be a massive blow not only to SR but the idea and SR predecesssors as a whole. its psy-ops. here we have an idea that cant be killed and they know that, So why not try and place misrust amongst our little communitty that holds this place together so well, and someone like Limetless who i would consider the highest up without being parto the original team or whatever, reveled to be LE would cause mass panic. I rkn it would kind of be like a bank rush.
BC
fuck can never get in the + reps. work so hard to get even and then someone has to neg me. Im not that pulverizing am i? or is it just the aussies who understand the weird sense of humour?
Benny Cousins, shard muncher extroardinaire! lol :) Fuck you make me laugh. +1 for you cause you've been posting all over the Forum on many topics. What are you saying about everyone hear is LE? And Limetless being LE? I'd be more than surprised if that was the case but it seems that generally speaking, our paranoia about LE infiltration and the ongoing discussion about it are clouding our judgement and diverting our attention away from finding the real perpetrator/s of this elaborate, premeditated scam.We can continue to compile any evidence relevant to what has happened in preparation for Lim's return which is just days away. Lim's return will begin a tedious process of elimination as we (Forum Community) sift through the evidence we currently have whilst asking Lim for an explanation on certain co-incidental occurrences that really prevent . Lim will need to provide answers if he can, for questions posed by the Community. The minute he clams up (a possible scenario ) and refuses to answer a question, he will immediately lose the confidence of loads of people waiting on his every word since the scam was discovered, and would struggle to make a return in his previous capacity. Get some sleep BC, or are you pushing on through to keep posting? :)
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If they were Police, surely they would be trying to infiltrate the inner circle and secrecy which plays a major role in the success of this site.
nope.jpg
Certainly we're using things like encryption, but the real strength of SR is in the network itself.
The default assumption is that everybody, including the administrators, are Law Enforcement. The reason why it works is precisely because we don't have to trust each other, and we trust in cryptographic strength instead. That's hard for for LE to comprehend, they've been facing hierarchical structured organized crime for decades, but now they're facing something rather different.
OhShitItsTheInternet.jpg
So much LOL. I lie awake at night giggling feverishly thinking about all the new possibilities, this is better than any drug.
exactly everyone here is LE. Anyway the consequences of Limetless Really being LE is gonna cause a huge gash in the community, people will be splintered, people will leave, will be a massive blow not only to SR but the idea and SR predecesssors as a whole. its psy-ops. here we have an idea that cant be killed and they know that, So why not try and place misrust amongst our little communitty that holds this place together so well, and someone like Limetless who i would consider the highest up without being parto the original team or whatever, reveled to be LE would cause mass panic. I rkn it would kind of be like a bank rush.
BC
fuck can never get in the + reps. work so hard to get even and then someone has to neg me. Im not that pulverizing am i? or is it just the aussies who understand the weird sense of humour?
Benny Cousins, shard muncher extroardinaire! lol :) Fuck you make me laugh. +1 for you cause you've been posting all over the Forum on many topics. What are you saying about everyone hear is LE? And Limetless being LE? I'd be more than surprised if that was the case but it seems that generally speaking, our paranoia about LE infiltration and the ongoing discussion about it are clouding our judgement and diverting our attention away from finding the real perpetrator/s of this elaborate, premeditated scam.We can continue to compile any evidence relevant to what has happened in preparation for Lim's return which is just days away. Lim's return will begin a tedious process of elimination as we (Forum Community) sift through the evidence we currently have whilst asking Lim for an explanation on certain co-incidental occurrences that really prevent . Lim will need to provide answers if he can, for questions posed by the Community. The minute he clams up (a possible scenario ) and refuses to answer a question, he will immediately lose the confidence of loads of people waiting on his every word since the scam was discovered, and would struggle to make a return in his previous capacity. Get some sleep BC, or are you pushing on through to keep posting? :)
Haha its great when shit hits the fan on the forums and your on shards just lettin loose with blatant truths with a just a touch of humour only aussies and brits would probably understand..
Anyway if ive come across as accusing everyone of being LE i apolagize that was not the intention. I was just pointing out what could be possibly happening and the consequences of it on the community. Ive Attempted to stay dead center neutral the whole time asking suspicious questions of lim while also defending him from baseless attacks. you can see this by going through my posts if you can be bothered.
we know the perpetrator of the scam, it was vlad1m1r, he is gone and it is now Limetless closeness (online) to vlad1m1r plus a few other suspicious things that have come up need answering, but the blatant character attacks based on nothing are out of line and need to be stopped we are just dividing each other.
AS for taking Vigilante justice against Vlad1m1r i am totally against it, same with doxxing. while i can see its justified i beleive it is against community stanards. we are suppose to be pro-anon and non-violent. Plus you probably have the wrong person. We are trying to make a point here (SR project as a whole) how the illict drug taking community can function civilly and not how the media and mothers groups perceive us.
I said this awhile ago but i highly doubt we are really worth the time of the LE agencys. SR makes up something like 0.0000001% of world drug trade but we can never predict our enemies and if the scenario i was suggesting is true then it would be brilliant and will have the intended effect, as the idea of SR will never die, LE will attempt to get the communitty that keeps it working so well possibly could to tear itself apart.
Anyway im gonna have another pipe and keep on posting. Feel free to send positive karma my way as ive got from -11 to even and then i get negged again. I just want the warm fuzzy feeling of being in +, even if only for a minute :D
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Ive said this before and i will say this again. This is not what i wish to be, but im being a realist and it is a slim posssibility, if you go through my posts and put em together you will see how and why it would be done. My innuendo is better then some of the blatant all out personal attacks over nothing.
Also would be great if some vendors could come forward vouching for Limetless ML service. I wanna know if its more then "just open a business and put ya dirty money through it" or if its a fairly complicated process involving lims knowledge of the world financial sector.
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BC, do you know approx. when Lim returns? I know it's fairly soon but do you know a day or date?
Hey, who's shards are you smokin up at the moment? Local or overseas?
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BC, do you know approx. when Lim returns? I know it's fairly soon but do you know a day or date?
Hey, who's shards are you smokin up at the moment? Local or overseas?
Local and that was another question asked to no reply.
Who are your suggested AUS domesticI shard vendors, if there is any left.nding the extra cash and ordering locally
what about overseas although i prefer spending the extracash and not worrying about customs for 6 weeks
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To sum up this pretty much pointless 33 page thread for anyone just tuning in: Vlad gained trust of the entire community and then didn't give a bunch of mother fuckers their money. He had a lot of clearnet accounts set up under the same name but no one knows if it's really him. He was probably just a scamming douche who may have been fucked by a ponzi scheme, but people have been speculating that he could've been LE. Limetless took a vacation at the same time, vouched for vlad repeatedly, and may have known vlad in real life but the posts regarding these things have mysteriously disappeared. So people have been speculating about Limetless as well due to that and the fact that he spends so much time here and doesn't really sell anything illegal. In the end this thread has been pretty much completely pointless though with a shitload of speculation and as far as I know absolutely no evidence. Of course we've all seen far stupider threads such as the Kat thread go over 100 pages so it's not like this is unprecedented.
May as well speculate myself a bit: I would be utterly shocked if that person was vlad as no one is that stupid. I recall his talking about exit nodes and it was some truly fucked up logic and I won't even mention that oscar shit.. I haven't actually looked for any of the posts I remember but is it true that all of vlad's posts and limetless's forum conversations with vlad are deleted?
In the end all of the shit regarding limetless that has popped up lately is admittedly a little intriguing but in reality there's nothing but speculation involved in that area so everyone should just wait until he comes back.
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Hi all,
Apologies to punkst0ner and pine for the lack of reply to the posts a couple of pages back, I've been far too hungover all day to use my brain - I logged in earlier with the best of intentions and just couldn't bring myself to type more than 2 words; my posts in that state would probably have made as much sense as a 2 year old's so I thought it best to go back to sleep for a while! Alcohol is the devil. :-\
Pine, in response to your well written post on page 29: Yes! Just "Yes!"
I agree fully with everything you wrote there, and I have to admit that I too find it hard to empathise with the people who have lost their money in this debacle. All of these schemes - whether they be Ponzi's or otherwise - are terrible places to 'invest' one's money. Most people see the huge returns and seem to think that they're a sure thing, then when they lose all their money they feel hard done by. To everybody that is inevitably going to put their money into these kinds of schemes in the future: Always do your due diligence, never invest more than you can afford to lose, and consider anything over 0 to be a successful return! As far as the cash-in-the-mail losses go, buying and selling Bitcoin in such a manner was incredibly risky to begin with, and though I did point people looking for such a service toward vlad1m1r in the past, using his service was each and every person's own choice. There's a reason that Bitcoin exchanges and sites such as bitcoin-otc (with it's WoT) are so popular - because cash-in-the-mail is inherently risky!
If they were Police, surely they would be trying to infiltrate the inner circle and secrecy which plays a major role in the success of this site.
There is no SR 'inner circle' per se; DPR - as far as any of us know - is the only one with administrative control over SR itself. As far as secrecy goes, it doesn't actually play that big a role in the success of SR as one would imagine - common sense, constantly educating oneself and constant vigilance are the major factors that keep things ticking over so well here on a human level. Secrecy has it's place, yes, but common sense would dictate that one should not reveal anything which may compromise one's security to ANYONE here regardless of their standing in the community.
Pine hits the nail on the head with the following:
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The default assumption is that everybody, including the administrators, are Law Enforcement. The reason why it works is precisely because we don't have to trust each other, and we trust in cryptographic strength instead. That's hard for for LE to comprehend, they've been facing hierarchical structured organized crime for decades, but now they're facing something rather different.
If we assume that everybody here is law enforcement we'll inherently keep our guard up, and unless one is missing a brain cell or two, one is far less likely to trust another member. Trust has absolutely no place in a community such as this, or on a site such as Silk Road. Granted you have to trust that the vendor is not law enforcement, but there are common methods of ensuring that this is the case. Lack of trust is also where PGP comes in; assume that DPR him/herself is LE and I guarantee that you'll never send an address unencrypted or discuss any sensitive details in cleartext via the Silk Road PM system. Assume at all times that everything you do and say is being watched, read and logged somewhere and you'll be surprised how much compromising information you would have otherwise let slip simply from feeling comfortable and trusting the system.
exactly everyone here is LE. Anyway the consequences of Limetless Really being LE is gonna cause a huge gash in the community, people will be splintered, people will leave, will be a massive blow not only to SR but the idea and SR predecesssors as a whole. its psy-ops. here we have an idea that cant be killed and they know that, So why not try and place misrust amongst our little communitty that holds this place together so well, and someone like Limetless who i would consider the highest up without being parto the original team or whatever, reveled to be LE would cause mass panic. I rkn it would kind of be like a bank rush.
Were Limetless to be outed as LE (note that this is an entirely hypothetical situation; I'm not suggesting for a second that this is the case!), I personally don't think it would affect the community at all. People may feel a little shaken up but I don't see a mass exodus occurring. It wouldn't be a blow to SR at all as Limetless' moderator powers exist only within the confines of these forums - he has absolutely no control on the main SR site, therefore should a hypothetical situation such as this occur it would simply mean that DPR would need to be a little more careful selecting Moderators in future. There would have been no breach of operational security or anything of the sort, so no reason to panic.
It should also be noted that Limetless hasn't used his position as moderator to manipulate the positioning or details of sensitive threads or topics, therefore making him an absolutly woeful LEO in the hypothetical situation being discussed.
You say you consider Limetless "the highest up without being part of the original team"; I'm just wondering why? Limetless is simply a moderator here and as such he holds the exact same moderating powers as any of the other moderators (if anything I would consider squidSheperd / Indica¦Sativa to be members of any 'higher echelon' here.) Limetless posts incessantly, so perhaps you are rating him on his high post count, but it's not hard to pad one's post count with one line replies and general chit-chat. IF he were revealed to be LE, I believe that 99% of users here would simply talk about it for a couple of weeks - if even -, ensure their security measures are up to scratch and continue doing business as usual. This is another good reason why we should view EVERYBODY as LE in the first place, so that if somebody actually is LE it's not an issue as your security will already be completely solid.
How the fuck did we get from "Vlad1m1r has gone rogue" to "Limetless is LE"?
look Vlad fucked off with some money, he was gone for a week due to "sickness" and he never really came back, he did come and comment on his thread about him being sick (a reply to my comment) but that was the last anyone saw of him, shortly afterwards his accounts were deleted. Limetless went on holiday between Vlad's sick note and the account deletions, he also said he was going on holiday for a bit anyway so once again, I ask, how the fuck did this thread transmography into hate Limetless when Vlad took the cash?
People are very quick to connect the dots that they see, even if they're missing the most important dots that are needed to bring them to the logical conclusion and most likely scenario.
I believe the reason people are making the unfounded accusation you mentioned above is because of Limetless' friendly forum relationship with vlad1m1r. The two exchanged chit-chat and seemed to have built up a rapport, but some people are now using that as conclusive proof that Limetless and vlad1m1r were two peas in the same pod so to speak. It's outrageous, and as I mentioned before it's turning into something of a witch-hunt which I find absolutely abhorrent given the type of community this is and the ideals it is based around.
What are you saying about everyone hear is LE? And Limetless being LE? I'd be more than surprised if that was the case but it seems that generally speaking, our paranoia about LE infiltration and the ongoing discussion about it are clouding our judgement and diverting our attention away from finding the real perpetrator/s of this elaborate, premeditated scam.We can continue to compile any evidence relevant to what has happened in preparation for Lim's return which is just days away. Lim's return will begin a tedious process of elimination as we (Forum Community) sift through the evidence we currently have whilst asking Lim for an explanation on certain co-incidental occurrences that really prevent . Lim will need to provide answers if he can, for questions posed by the Community. The minute he clams up (a possible scenario ) and refuses to answer a question, he will immediately lose the confidence of loads of people waiting on his every word since the scam was discovered, and would struggle to make a return in his previous capacity. Get some sleep BC, or are you pushing on through to keep posting? :)
BC, do you know approx. when Lim returns? I know it's fairly soon but do you know a day or date?
The "paranoia about LE infiltration and the ongoing discussion about it" are not necessarily a result of us actually believing that there is a large degree of LE infiltration occurring, it is more-so a result of us acknowledging that the safest course of action is to assume that EVERYONE is LE, therefore ensuring that we don't begin to let our guard down in relation to security.
As for "diverting our attention away from finding the real perpetrator/s of this elaborate, premeditated scam", the real perpetrator was vlad1m1r, and it most certainly wasn't elaborate, nor pre-meditated as far as scams go. Making an educated guess, and as I have stated before, it is quite likely that vlad1m1r was investing money into pirateat40's Ponzi scheme. When pirateat40 stated that he was closing up BCST vlad1m1r would likely have known that the Bitcoin he put into it was in great danger of disappearing. When pirateat40 defaulted on August 20th any Bitcoin that vlad1m1r had tied up in it was confirmed as lost. As such he wouldn't have had the necessary Bitcoin on hand to honour the cash-in-the-mail orders he was receiving, and perhaps decided to state that he was sick in order to buy himself more time to see if pirateat40 would come through in the end. pirateat40 promised to have his 'investors' paid back by August 27th, but this was just to placate the community and buy him a little more time for obfuscation of his Bitcoin movements. By the 27th vlad1m1r would have realised that no payments would be forthcoming from BCST so instead of facing the music and attempting to sort this out he decided to cut and run, taking the cash he received in the mail up to that point in an attempt to mitigate the financial losses he would have experienced as a result of pirateat40's default. If it were a pre-meditated scam then the most logical course of action would have been for him to drop his rates / drop his prices in order to increase the number orders and increase his cash intake - had he done this he would have gotten away with a lot more than he actually did, so it's highly unlikely, though I'll admit not impossible, that it was a pre-meditated scam.
Where Limetless is concerned, he is under no obligation to explain himself to any member of this community as he has thus far done absolutely NOTHING wrong. There may be things that some view as co-incidental, but he is under no obligation to answer any questions regarding those either. He is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. The burden of proof lies entirely on his detractors, not on Limetless himself.
He has already lost the confidence of a lot of people here due to the baseless accusations being thrown around about him in his absence, and as I stated previously the veritable witch-hunt that's occurring is a disgusting spectacle to witness in a freedom based community such as this. Some people here are already acting as judge, jury and executioner; it's a witch-hunt, plain and simple, following the exact same warped methods and mob mentality as took place during the late 1600's / early 1700's. 'Are you a witch? How long have you been in the snare of the devil? Confess!' Asolutely outrageous behaviour.
As for the approximate date of his return, according to his Vendor profile: "Now officially off duty until I return which will be the first week of September."
I apologise to all for the incredibly long post but I wanted to individually address the points that each of you raised, and I felt it was important to clarify points regarding the topics discussed above.
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It seems like all of the things people are accusing Lim of are pretty easily excused as well.
1. "He doesn't own a landrover and his ML expertise is probably pretty much copied off of the clearnet" Possibly or even probably true but what exactly would be the consequences if that were true? Pretty much nothing.
2. "He vouched for and maybe knew vlad" Again, the first point is true but excusable and the second is as far as I know unprovable.
3. "He doesn't sell anything illegal" Well, the profit margins are pretty fucking high on legal drugs etc. so that isn't anything to go on really.
4. "He spends all of his time on here" Again true, but what's that worth?
Did I miss anything? I don't think so. So what exactly are people accusing him of? I can't really tell, no one has any evidence for anything they're just pointlessly posting conspiracy theories as far as I can tell.
In the end I agree that no one should trust anyone else on here either way so none of this should change anything.
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This post should be printed out, framed and mounted on the wall.
Guru
Given the length / the fact that I can't shut up it'd have to be a very high wall Guru! ;D I appreciate the sentiment though! But damn you for quoting me, it's made any 'ninja-edits' in order to correct a couple of spelling and grammatical errors impossible!!
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yeah good post grahamgreene and i was never accusing lim of being Le i was just saying what quite a possible hypothetical situation could be. I never said it was likely nor did i think it was true
EDIT: Limetless threads now turning into the new CP thread and being locked immediately
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Well at least I didn't FE. Pheeww! 8)
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I personally think Vlad was being watched by customs / LE.
I used him a few times with no issue, but the last time I sent the cash Special delivery. Took ages to arrive and RM NEVER showed a delivery signature of their website when it was finally delivered (like a week later). It was then I decided maybe best not to use him again as it just didnt add up (I send shit loads of spacial delivery packs and ive always seen a signature logged on delivery).....
Everything is speculation as no one actually knows what the fuck has gone on really......Im just pissed as getting BTC in the UK is a royal pain in the ass.
I'll keep watching with interest ???
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He has $12,000 USD of my money. I am likely going to have to close my SR store since I have no money and no way to purchase more stock and almost 0 liquidity. This could not have gone any worse for me at a worse time. I will have many disappointed customers that I prided myself on never letting down as I have a 100% good feedback rate. That is "breaking kneecaps" level upsetting to me and I am boiling fucking mad. I have worked way too fucking hard to establish a good store with a good reputation and I am really fucking pissed because it is all falling apart right before my eyes. Thanks to all my loyal customers and I'm so sorry to have let you down.... If anyone would like to join me in a genuine collaborative effort to find his real identity and location let me know.
Sorry for the bad language :-\
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He has $12,000 USD of my money. I am likely going to have to close my SR store since I have no money and no way to purchase more stock and almost 0 liquidity. This could not have gone any worse for me at a worse time. I will have many disappointed customers that I prided myself on never letting down as I have a 100% good feedback rate. That is "breaking kneecaps" level upsetting to me and I am boiling fucking mad. I have worked way too fucking hard to establish a good store with a good reputation and I am really fucking pissed because it is all falling apart right before my eyes. Thanks to all my loyal customers and I'm so sorry to have let you down.... If anyone would like to join me in a genuine collaborative effort to find his real identity and location let me know.
Sorry for the bad language :-\
DOC
I am so sorry DOC to hear this has happened to you! Obviously, you have worked hard to get where you are, and many customers that liked you for what you do!
This is like a domino effect when one is knocked down, the rest follow suit!
Personally, I had a very good experience with V, and never imagined in a million years THIS would happen! It's unbelievable and I am absolutely gobsmacked.
I really and sincerely hope it all comes good in the end. But this looks doubtful and distant at the moment. Hopefully there will be light at the end of the tunnel.
I think the lesson that needs to be learnt here, is that we need to learn how to do things for ourselves, have trust in ourselves, and our capabilities! It's the only way way that we can have complete control over our affairs :)
There is only one person you can truly and ultimately have 100% trust in, that is yourself! :)
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It seems like all of the things people are accusing Lim of are pretty easily excused as well.
1. "He doesn't own a landrover and his ML expertise is probably pretty much copied off of the clearnet" Possibly or even probably true but what exactly would be the consequences if that were true? Pretty much nothing.
2. "He vouched for and maybe knew vlad" Again, the first point is true but excusable and the second is as far as I know unprovable.
3. "He doesn't sell anything illegal" Well, the profit margins are pretty fucking high on legal drugs etc. so that isn't anything to go on really.
4. "He spends all of his time on here" Again true, but what's that worth?
Did I miss anything? I don't think so. So what exactly are people accusing him of? I can't really tell, no one has any evidence for anything they're just pointlessly posting conspiracy theories as far as I can tell.
In the end I agree that no one should trust anyone else on here either way so none of this should change anything.
Pretty much agree with this. I think it is kind of strange that he is suddenly under massive attack by everyone. He went on vacation when vlad scammed people, what exactly does that mean? I mean if that indicates he is a scammer why the fuck would he even go on vacation at the same time as Vlad scammed? People are taking a correlation and immediately jumping to seeing it as causation and I am not seeing any logic leading from one to the other.
I highly doubt he owns or expects to sell an armored vehicle here, could just be putting on a show to try and impress people, can't really think of why LE would do that. He does seem to be on SR an inhuman amount of time for a single person and I find that to be somewhat sketchy but maybe he is multiple people or a tweaker or something. I never particularly trusted him and still do not, but that has nothing to do with the recent events, and I think a lot of people are being pretty illogical in basing their opinions on limetless off of his going on vacation at the same time Vlad scammed everyone.
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I also don't believe that vlad or limetless really know that much about money laundering. At least they both acted like they knew a lot about it, while simultaneously shutting down anyone who tried to talk about it because they might give up trade secrets, and saying that my technique which has been proven over ten years and used by vendors on private forums for as long is dangerous and ineffective (but of course they can not say why or share any of their own techniques...and also better shut the thread down because secret information!!!).
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lol everyoens preety quick to shoot you down kmf whenever they dont agree with you even though probaably be one of the most (usefully) contributing members here. And probably the most talented in this field
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I also don't believe that vlad or limetless really know that much about money laundering. At least they both acted like they knew a lot about it, while simultaneously shutting down anyone who tried to talk about it because they might give up trade secrets, and saying that my technique which has been proven over ten years and used by vendors on private forums for as long is dangerous and ineffective (but of course they can not say why or share any of their own techniques...and also better shut the thread down because secret information!!!).
I very much doubt Limetless is connected to the Vlad disaster apart from proximity.
On the subject of ML, I am not an expert. But I do know there's a vast body of theoretical knowledge out there on it. There's no reason in the world that couldn't be discussed! I mean there's entire books on the subject, 99% of what you need to know is available from the shelves of Amazon.
It is true that specifics are best avoided on an open forum e.g. going to a specific bank to open a specific account to follow a specific procedure. But I'd imagine what trips up most amateur money launderers is fairly simple stuff from the theory side of things. I don't think there is much secret sauce in this world in any field. Just a bunch of hard work, some commonsense and some luck.
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unfortunately 'reliable' vendors do just fuck off with money. noreiga springs to mind. at the end of the day wether anyone likes it or not its always gonna happen but thats the deal we get with staying anonymous
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In summation, no one knows if/when "Vlad1m1r" will return and if he will return customers bitcoins. At this point all we can do it have our fingers crossed. Needless to say this has hurt many vendors and customers alike and disappointed many more across SR. He earned the trust and respect of many including myself. It is sad news indeed.
It is not clear yet as to whether or not I will be able to keep my doors open as a result of this debacle. If I do somehow make it, I will be limping along for quite some time as I attempt to regain my composure and ability to maintain adequate stock. As a result, the speed, reliability and quantity of sales will suffer as I attempt to stop the bleeding and somehow rectify this situation.
I want to thank all my loyal customers who have supported me with repeat business and friendly conversation. With your support I would love to move past this situation and get back on my feet to continue to serve SR with the diligence, tenacity and reliability you have become accustomed to.
SR is truly something great despite some bad apples. I believe in what it stands for and I hope you do too! Freedom from government oppression and control.
DOC 8)
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In summation, no one knows if/when "Vlad1m1r" will return and if he will return customers bitcoins. At this point all we can do it have our fingers crossed. Needless to say this has hurt many vendors and customers alike and disappointed many more across SR. He earned the trust and respect of many including myself. It is sad news indeed.
It is not clear yet as to whether or not I will be able to keep my doors open as a result of this debacle. If I do somehow make it, I will be limping along for quite some time as I attempt to regain my composure and ability to maintain adequate stock. As a result, the speed, reliability and quantity of sales will suffer as I attempt to stop the bleeding and somehow rectify this situation.
I want to thank all my loyal customers who have supported me with repeat business and friendly conversation. With your support I would love to move past this situation and get back on my feet to continue to serve SR with the diligence, tenacity and reliability you have become accustomed to.
SR is truly something great despite some bad apples. I believe in what it stands for and I hope you do too! Freedom from government oppression and control.
DOC 8)
Wow. DOC, I'm staggered. That's a huge amount of money to have lost.I really, really hope you will be able to recover your business.
Vlad will not return, I'm 99.9% sure of that. A name has already been banded around in this thread, as has an address on Jersey. I think it's real, but obviously have no way of being sure. It was funny that he seemed to disappear from the place of work where it was established Nathan worked.
Has anyone noticed that Limetless's listings are no longer up on the road?
What do people make of this development??
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Wow. DOC, I'm staggered. That's a huge amount of money to have lost.I really, really hope you will be able to recover your business.
Vlad will not return, I'm 99.9% sure of that. A name has already been banded around in this thread, as has an address on Jersey. I think it's real, but obviously have no way of being sure. It was funny that he seemed to disappear from the place of work where it was established Nathan worked.
Has anyone noticed that Limetless's listings are no longer up on the road?
What do people make of this development??
Hi punkst0ner,
You're completely correct about vlad1m1r, he certainly won't be back - he's definitely here under a new account watching this thread (hi Nathan, you pillock), but as 'vlad1m1r' he's unfortunately gone with the wind.
As for Limitless' listings no longer being visible on the road, listings get taken down automatically when a vendor hasn't logged into their account for X amount of days (4 if I recall correctly, but possibly 5.) Nothing out of the ordinary there.
Hope you're well! :)
As for you, DrWhite, I'm terribly sorry to hear that you lost that much money to vlad1m1r. It would seem he got away with a good deal more than most of us thought. >:(
If there's anything that I personally, or indeed we as a community can do just let us know. I'm sure that the community will rally around and do all that it can to help you in any way possible.
Take care,
- grahamgreene
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As for you, DrWhite, I'm terribly sorry to hear that you lost that much money to vlad1m1r. It would seem he got away with a good deal more than most of us thought. >:(
If there's anything that I personally, or indeed we as a community can do just let us know. I'm sure that the community will rally around and do all that it can to help you in any way possible.
Thanks for the support. The only thing that can help me at this point is to find a secure and reliable way to convert my bitcoins so I can continue to operate. Without that I am pretty much out of business. The best thing I can do right now is forget about what has happened and look to the future. I will likely fulfill the last remaining orders for weed and close those listings for now. My other products will be available until my stock runs out. Vlad was a well respected member of the community and I did my research before using him for bitcoin to cash services. My mistake was putting all my eggs in one basket which Vlad disappeared with.
Best Regards,
DOC
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I was meant to get a small order from limetless, and it never came. Whilst I was waiting I got 1 order from Vlad, straight after I tried to get another 1 but he didn't reply. I got my btc back though. For me Vlad and Limetless always seemed a little to close. Definately something is up between these 2.
When I spoke to limetless he said he would be sending my product from China, did anyone receive anything from him ever from China?
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I think that those suggesting there's a link between Vlad and Limetless because of timing are off-track.
The reason I think the link between them is sketchy as fuck, is because they were both constantly:
- bigging eachother up on threads,
- shutting down any talks of ML,
- recommending each other and referring people to each others businesses (someone forwarded a PM of Limetless saying something along the lines of "on the other hand, my friend Vlad1m1r offers...").
Finally, Limetless had a couple of potentially freudian slips on this thread, in regards to "what Vlad WAS doing" (at this point there was nothing concrete to suggest it was a scam or that he'd take off). Combine that with the mysteriously disappearing Limetless/Vlad posts on the forum, the fact that Vlad had suggested in the past he was being "mentored" AND the timing of the scam/holiday, then you've got a bloody good reason to be suspicious IMO.
I don't think it's enough to warrant some of the attacks there have been on Limetless/his business, BUT I think to dismiss it out of hand is foolish. There are far too many factors here for this to ALL be coincidence.
Has anyone actually heard any developments regarding Vlad/his career/etc? I am under the impression that someone released information in this thread and that someone (else?) faxed his office. Any more information to share in regards to this? Have to admit I checked the news a few times to see if anything had been reported.
Also - anyone searching for his dox via clearnet is being a bit daft. We have Tor for a reason and it's not just for .onion sites :)
Lastly, DrWhite, I'm very sorry to hear about your predicament. I do hope you manage to overcome this setback and loss. Wishing you the best of luck.
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From fucking China!!!! What was he doing??? Sounds to me like when someone was placing an order he was just ordering it himself from China!!!
I'm guessing it was his all time favourite legal highs you ordered
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From fucking China!!!! What was he doing??? Sounds to me like when someone was placing an order he was just ordering it himself from China!!!
I'm guessing it was his all time favourite legal highs you ordered
No it was a precurser..
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Whoa $12,000! Jesus! How much all in has this scumbag gotten away with? What a sack of shit Vlad is.
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I think that those suggesting there's a link between Vlad and Limetless because of timing are off-track.
The reason I think the link between them is sketchy as fuck, is because they were both constantly:
- bigging eachother up on threads,
- shutting down any talks of ML,
- recommending each other and referring people to each others businesses (someone forwarded a PM of Limetless saying something along the lines of "on the other hand, my friend Vlad1m1r offers...").
Finally, Limetless had a couple of potentially freudian slips on this thread, in regards to "what Vlad WAS doing" (at this point there was nothing concrete to suggest it was a scam or that he'd take off). Combine that with the mysteriously disappearing Limetless/Vlad posts on the forum, the fact that Vlad had suggested in the past he was being "mentored" AND the timing of the scam/holiday, then you've got a bloody good reason to be suspicious IMO.
I don't think it's enough to warrant some of the attacks there have been on Limetless/his business, BUT I think to dismiss it out of hand is foolish. There are far too many factors here for this to ALL be coincidence.
Has anyone actually heard any developments regarding Vlad/his career/etc? I am under the impression that someone released information in this thread and that someone (else?) faxed his office. Any more information to share in regards to this? Have to admit I checked the news a few times to see if anything had been reported.
Also - anyone searching for his dox via clearnet is being a bit daft. We have Tor for a reason and it's not just for .onion sites :)
Lastly, DrWhite, I'm very sorry to hear about your predicament. I do hope you manage to overcome this setback and loss. Wishing you the best of luck.
Very good points raised here psykhe, wonderfully worded!
All points, and viewpoints must be taken into consideration! It's the only way to create a fair fuller picture, of this suspicious sketchy situation!
I'd +1 you, if I could! :)
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Ahhhh!! Sorry to here u never received your goods, did u manage to keep your money in escrow?? I got ripped off by Nathan,vlad, whatever his fucking name is!!! I had used him a few times previously and everything went sweet, I am gonna purchase my next bitcoins from mt.gox, as I never buy large amounts of stuff on SR!!
Ive read lots on the forums in the last week and there has been countless people scammed by countless vendors since SR opened!! Its a fucking piss take!!
One more try on SR for me with my bitcoins bought from mt.gox and if I get scammed again I'll be sadly saying goodbye to the road!!!
Drwhite? Sorry to hear you got scammed by such a large amount!! I couldnt afford to loss the £200 I did, never mind $12000!!! Hope your business recovers!! And I sincerely hope someone who got ripped off by a large amount of cash by that CUNTY COCKSUCKER "NathanJordan/Vlad1mr" gets there own back!!!! People I know have went after rip off merchants with bats and knives for a lot less than £200!!!! Life is fucking cheap these days!!!
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I see that nobody gives a fuck about this topic anymore!!!!! We all been scammed n it's been brushed under the carpet!!!! Awesome stuff
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I see that nobody gives a fuck about this topic anymore!!!!! We all been scammed n it's been brushed under the carpet!!!! Awesome stuff
Lol do you expect your money back? That is simply naive.
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Nope I dont expect a bean back at all, I was pissed off but now I quite simply dont give a fucking toss anymore!!! ;)
I see that nobody gives a fuck about this topic anymore!!!!! We all been scammed n it's been brushed under the carpet!!!! Awesome stuff
Lol do you expect your money back? That is simply naive.
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Ive read lots on the forums in the last week and there has been countless people scammed by countless vendors since SR opened!! Its a fucking piss take!!
One more try on SR for me with my bitcoins bought from mt.gox and if I get scammed again I'll be sadly saying goodbye to the road!!!
That's because people are more vocal when something does not go right.
I have more than one buying account, but I'm on 52 successful deliveries out of 52 orders.
Don't get me wrong, I have had underweight deliveries and been ripped of quality wise (commercial hash sent when advertised as premium pollum). I can live with this and I just think twice about using the vendor in the future.
Buy coins from gox. Wash them as per Pines signature post (I don't always tbh), send to your silkroad wallet. Start small, but with tangible drugs and deliveries. If you are going to buy regularly, set up two or three buyer accounts.
Lot's of us still do "give a fuck" about this topic and this thread, you have to understand though that lots of members are living in denial at the moment about the situation.
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I haven't given up on the road yet pensioner, ive had some top quality stuff delivered before I got scammed
Ive read lots on the forums in the last week and there has been countless people scammed by countless vendors since SR opened!! Its a fucking piss take!!
One more try on SR for me with my bitcoins bought from mt.gox and if I get scammed again I'll be sadly saying goodbye to the road!!!
That's because people are more vocal when something does not go right.
I have more than one buying account, but I'm on 52 successful deliveries out of 52 orders.
Don't get me wrong, I have had underweight deliveries and been ripped of quality wise (commercial hash sent when advertised as premium pollum). I can live with this and I just think twice about using the vendor in the future.
Buy coins from gox. Wash them as per Pines signature post (I don't always tbh), send to your silkroad wallet. Start small, but with tangible drugs and deliveries. If you are going to buy regularly, set up two or three buyer accounts.
Lot's of us still do "give a fuck" about this topic and this thread, you have to understand though that lots of members are living in denial at the moment about the situation.
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*punkstoner, lol ;) predictive fucking text
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*punkstoner, lol ;) predictive fucking text
lol. Was gonna say, I've been called a lot in the past, but never that one!
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Nope I dont expect a bean back at all, I was pissed off but now I quite simply dont give a fucking toss anymore!!! ;)
Then I apologize, I simply get annoyed when people EXPECT to get money back from an anonymous black market. Every time you order, you should look at it as "okay, I may not get my order and loose my money". That way, not only are you not obliterated if you don't receive your order, but when you do happen to get it, you're filled with joy, and all the anxiety and stress goes away :).
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Whoa $12,000! Jesus! How much all in has this scumbag gotten away with? What a sack of shit Vlad is.
Well pretty much $12,000. $11,559 to be exact according to the bitcoin price at that time. Approx. half of that was invested in his investment program. B/C I was investing so much with him he offered me 8% instead of 6% per month (should have been a red flag). The other half he was converting to Cash. What gets me is he was so good about everything customer support, answering questions, communication. He came so highly recommended from pretty much everyone, how could I not use him?
This, like everything else in life should be a lesson despite the anger we feel towards those who have wronged us. In many ways SR's anonymity is both a gift and a curse.
Just like Tony, Vlad killed the goose that laid the golden eggs. Money that stays is built slowly. Money that comes fast leaves just as fast. Undoubtedly, with their excellent reputations they could have operated on SR for years to come and earned far more than they robbed from the good people of SR in one blow.
Is it possible for Vlad to return under a new name or are seller accounts now closed? What is to keep people from coming back under a new alias and performing an identical or slightly different scam?
Best Regards,
DOC 8)
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Is it possible for Vlad to return under a new name
Dr. White,
While I am sorry to hear the money you lost, as I, maybe more than most people here (please correct me if you think I'm wrong), understand how loosing money sucks. I have none.
Anyway, it's very possible, just as anyone can come back. It's an anonymous forum, market, and because of that you cannot ban hostnames or ip's (this site logs neither as well). So, the only way to keep them from coming back, would to be repeatedly calling them out until they stopped coming. However, this is near impossible. Just do yourself a favor and stick to the basics, use Mt.Gox from now on, I think it works in the EU (again, correct me if I'm wrong). If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
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To those that lost money, when BTC crashed a couple of weeks ago my first though was shit Vlad must be fucked now, serves that cunt right, didnt you see this coming ?
To those accusing Lim for deleting posts from the university thread, I dont see anything missing, I delete 1 of my posts just to see if I can delete a post from a locked thread but all of Vlads and Lims comments are there.
Obviously Lim is a dick but didnt you already know that ? There was one mention from Vlad that they had a common friend but I am pretty sure Lim didnt reply to confirm it.
Quote from: Limetless on August 05, 2012, 10:51 PM
Can someone give me what happened here in a sweet and sugary nutshell that is easily digestible at 11.51 at night?
- OZ has been offering degrees for sale online from various Universities.
- Several people are concerned about their orders.
- OZ accepted payment via bank transfer for one or two such degrees.
- One user suggested tracing him via this method to threaten/injure/kill/whatever him.
- I told them this wouldn't do much good as the bank account was one I had set up for OZ in the name of a man I'd selected at random from the Electoral Roll in the area.
- The user in question threatened to harm this man if I didn't reveal OZ's identity, I refused.
- He sent me a picture of a gun with my name near it saying I'd have blood in my hands if I didn't give up OZ's real name and address.
- I said I would arrange to have the man watched and protected if necessary. From the comments I've seen here it might be a sensible precaution! If our erstwhile user makes a move on an innocent third party, I've decided to ask to have his thumb and one of his fingers removed - am still waiting on a quote for this from our mutual friend.
V.
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Is it possible for Vlad to return under a new name or are seller accounts now closed? What is to keep people from coming back under a new alias and performing an identical or slightly different scam?
Best Regards,
DOC 8)
As far as I'm aware DPR has no intention of ever closing the registration of new seller accounts. He / she created SR as an agorist marketplace, and judging from their posts here on the forums they absolutely abhor the idea of a closed market that limits competition.
I believe vlad1m1r is already here under a new alias keeping an eye on this very thread. I think it highly unlikely that he wouldn't have any interest in finding out a) what people are saying about him and b) how close people are getting to him.
Nothing stops people from coming back here under a new alias and scamming again. It is every user's own responsibility to ensure that they are not scammed, and I don't think that's unreasonable given that this is an underground drug market.
Finalising Early is the basis of ALL of the scams that have occurred on Silk Road. Obviously for things like investment programs, MP to BTC and BTC loans etc. FE is a requirement, but the only way to protect yourself from the possibility of being scammed by any of these is not to partake in them. I myself considered loaning money to ThaiStick at one stage, then thought better of it as I would always advise others not to do it themselves. Given what's happened with that vendor, I'm glad I reconsidered.
I think it's important to remove yourself from all situations like these and look at them objectively without the promise of excellent returns etc. clouding your judgement. It is always then that you make the most logical decisions.
You stated earlier that your mistake was putting all your eggs in one basket - we've all done this before! Don't beat yourself up about it, learn from it, and try to keep your head above water because you seem like a very well liked and genuinely nice vendor. It'd be a shame to see you leave, especially because of this.
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Actually I kind of agree with the two posts below that it's pretty damn suspicious(although certainly not conclusive of anything). I actually didn't look back for any posts someone else posted that things were deleted though. I don't know why the quote things were getting so fucked up before I edited it but hopefully now you can see what is me and what isn't. This is me, shit below isn't.
To those that lost money, when BTC crashed a couple of weeks ago my first though was shit Vlad must be fucked now, serves that cunt right, didnt you see this coming ?
To those accusing Lim for deleting posts from the university thread, I dont see anything missing, I delete 1 of my posts just to see if I can delete a post from a locked thread but all of Vlads and Lims comments are there.
Obviously Lim is a dick but didnt you already know that ? There was one mention from Vlad that they had a common friend but I am pretty sure Lim didnt reply to confirm it.
Quote from: Limetless on August 05, 2012, 10:51 PM
Can someone give me what happened here in a sweet and sugary nutshell that is easily digestible at 11.51 at night?
- OZ has been offering degrees for sale online from various Universities.
- Several people are concerned about their orders.
- OZ accepted payment via bank transfer for one or two such degrees.
- One user suggested tracing him via this method to threaten/injure/kill/whatever him.
- I told them this wouldn't do much good as the bank account was one I had set up for OZ in the name of a man I'd selected at random from the Electoral Roll in the area.
- The user in question threatened to harm this man if I didn't reveal OZ's identity, I refused.
- He sent me a picture of a gun with my name near it saying I'd have blood in my hands if I didn't give up OZ's real name and address.
- I said I would arrange to have the man watched and protected if necessary. From the comments I've seen here it might be a sensible precaution! If our erstwhile user makes a move on an innocent third party, I've decided to ask to have his thumb and one of his fingers removed - am still waiting on a quote for this from our mutual friend.
V.
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I think that those suggesting there's a link between Vlad and Limetless because of timing are off-track.
The reason I think the link between them is sketchy as fuck, is because they were both constantly:
- bigging eachother up on threads,
- shutting down any talks of ML,
- recommending each other and referring people to each others businesses (someone forwarded a PM of Limetless saying something along the lines of "on the other hand, my friend Vlad1m1r offers...").
Finally, Limetless had a couple of potentially freudian slips on this thread, in regards to "what Vlad WAS doing" (at this point there was nothing concrete to suggest it was a scam or that he'd take off). Combine that with the mysteriously disappearing Limetless/Vlad posts on the forum, the fact that Vlad had suggested in the past he was being "mentored" AND the timing of the scam/holiday, then you've got a bloody good reason to be suspicious IMO.
I don't think it's enough to warrant some of the attacks there have been on Limetless/his business, BUT I think to dismiss it out of hand is foolish. There are far too many factors here for this to ALL be coincidence.
Has anyone actually heard any developments regarding Vlad/his career/etc? I am under the impression that someone released information in this thread and that someone (else?) faxed his office. Any more information to share in regards to this? Have to admit I checked the news a few times to see if anything had been reported.
Also - anyone searching for his dox via clearnet is being a bit daft. We have Tor for a reason and it's not just for .onion sites :)
Lastly, DrWhite, I'm very sorry to hear about your predicament. I do hope you manage to overcome this setback and loss. Wishing you the best of luck.
Actually I kind of agree with these posts that it's pretty damn suspicious(although certainly not conclusive of anything). I actually didn't look back for any posts someone else posted that things were deleted though.
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Actually I kind of agree with the two posts below that it's pretty damn suspicious(although certainly not conclusive of anything). I actually didn't look back for any posts someone else posted that things were deleted though. I don't know why the quote things were getting so fucked up before I edited it but hopefully now you can see what is me and what isn't. This is me, shit below isn't.
To those that lost money, when BTC crashed a couple of weeks ago my first though was shit Vlad must be fucked now, serves that cunt right, didnt you see this coming ?
To those accusing Lim for deleting posts from the university thread, I dont see anything missing, I delete 1 of my posts just to see if I can delete a post from a locked thread but all of Vlads and Lims comments are there.
Obviously Lim is a dick but didnt you already know that ? There was one mention from Vlad that they had a common friend but I am pretty sure Lim didnt reply to confirm it.
Quote from: Limetless on August 05, 2012, 10:51 PM
Can someone give me what happened here in a sweet and sugary nutshell that is easily digestible at 11.51 at night?
- OZ has been offering degrees for sale online from various Universities.
- Several people are concerned about their orders.
- OZ accepted payment via bank transfer for one or two such degrees.
- One user suggested tracing him via this method to threaten/injure/kill/whatever him.
- I told them this wouldn't do much good as the bank account was one I had set up for OZ in the name of a man I'd selected at random from the Electoral Roll in the area.
- The user in question threatened to harm this man if I didn't reveal OZ's identity, I refused.
- He sent me a picture of a gun with my name near it saying I'd have blood in my hands if I didn't give up OZ's real name and address.
- I said I would arrange to have the man watched and protected if necessary. From the comments I've seen here it might be a sensible precaution! If our erstwhile user makes a move on an innocent third party, I've decided to ask to have his thumb and one of his fingers removed - am still waiting on a quote for this from our mutual friend.
V.
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I think that those suggesting there's a link between Vlad and Limetless because of timing are off-track.
The reason I think the link between them is sketchy as fuck, is because they were both constantly:
- bigging eachother up on threads,
- shutting down any talks of ML,
- recommending each other and referring people to each others businesses (someone forwarded a PM of Limetless saying something along the lines of "on the other hand, my friend Vlad1m1r offers...").
Finally, Limetless had a couple of potentially freudian slips on this thread, in regards to "what Vlad WAS doing" (at this point there was nothing concrete to suggest it was a scam or that he'd take off). Combine that with the mysteriously disappearing Limetless/Vlad posts on the forum, the fact that Vlad had suggested in the past he was being "mentored" AND the timing of the scam/holiday, then you've got a bloody good reason to be suspicious IMO.
I don't think it's enough to warrant some of the attacks there have been on Limetless/his business, BUT I think to dismiss it out of hand is foolish. There are far too many factors here for this to ALL be coincidence.
Has anyone actually heard any developments regarding Vlad/his career/etc? I am under the impression that someone released information in this thread and that someone (else?) faxed his office. Any more information to share in regards to this? Have to admit I checked the news a few times to see if anything had been reported.
Also - anyone searching for his dox via clearnet is being a bit daft. We have Tor for a reason and it's not just for .onion sites :)
Lastly, DrWhite, I'm very sorry to hear about your predicament. I do hope you manage to overcome this setback and loss. Wishing you the best of luck.
Actually I kind of agree with these posts that it's pretty damn suspicious(although certainly not conclusive of anything). I actually didn't look back for any posts someone else posted that things were deleted though.
Wow, TT/Social/Sugar/Punk. Go away you stupid fucking cunt. You are at best a crazy prostitute and at worst LE and no one here takes you seriously. Anyway I'd suggest that no one here replies to this thread anymore so that it just goes away.
So, why are you getting so angry?
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Because you've already been banned from these forums once for completely inappropriate behavior and it's a nightmare of mine to have anyone as biased and stupid as you on my side in an argument(TT/SugarRush/Punk/Social/others). I am not saying what you're saying. I saw 2 reasonable posts that I felt like agreeing with and haven't been replying to you. You're just here to pointlessly flame lim with oh so clever puns like "limetass" btw how long did it take you to think that one up?
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Because you've already been banned from these forums once for completely inappropriate behavior
I think that is just a guess ain't it?
Guess what. You're wrong.
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It always caught me as very strange that Vlad transformed from a seemingly nice, peaceful guy to giving us a glimpse of some gangster persona in the University thread when an 'innocent' person's details were released and harm was being threatened against them.
He obviously knew that he was going to up sticks and run at some point and wanted to emphasize the point that it is possible for 'innocents' to be used in this manner by him. A prelude to Nathan being uncovered and hoping for his protection.
It seems almost unfathomable that he would use a clearnet handle, especially one which was so prominent. He fed us some nice clues so we could make the link ourselves and think we'd found the person. It would be impossible for Vlad to resist following this thread, assuming he isn't in custody. In fact, I bet he is probably one of these posters stirring more shit up and watching it unfold.
Of course, this is all conjecture but Vlad seemed too intelligent to make such basic errors. Anyway, time for a scooby snack.
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It would be impossible for Vlad to resist following this thread, assuming he isn't in custody. In fact, I bet he is probably one of these posters stirring more shit up and watching it unfold.
There is defiantly one or two candidates ITT for what you are suggesting.
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Which date has "limetless" claimed he will be coming back from his "holiday"?
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Which date has "limetless" claimed he will be coming back from his "holiday"?
First week of September, so between now and a week from now.
Oh, and don't be a suspicious cunt.
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Which date has "limetless" claimed he will be coming back from his "holiday"?
First week of September, so between now and a week from now.
Oh, and don't be a suspicious cunt.
Pipe down. Stop being such a cunt trusting someone who you don't even know.
Stop trying to stifle discussion.
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Which date has "limetless" claimed he will be coming back from his "holiday"?
First week of September, so between now and a week from now.
Oh, and don't be a suspicious cunt.
Pipe down. Stop being such a cunt trusting someone who you don't even know.
Stop trying to stifle discussion.
I'm not stifling discussion, I'm answering a "question" from an "interested party".
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ok, i've read through these ball aching 34 pages - can someone point out to me exactly why Lim is under any kind of suspicion? the only valid reason i can see is because he was bigging Vlad up, which every customer of Vlads did after a good transaction.
what have i missed? there must be more to it if so many people think he's done something so wrong?
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ok, i've read through these ball aching 34 pages - can someone point out to me exactly why Lim is under any kind of suspicion? the only valid reason i can see is because he was bigging Vlad up, which every customer of Vlads did after a good transaction.
what have i missed? there must be more to it if so many people think he's done something so wrong?
Oh, I'm sure it will all come out in time :)
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There is such a split in opinion here. Both sides are extremely passionate about their belief of what transpired and come the "show down" in a few days time, there will be a group of members who will have to eat a large slice of humble pie and walk away with their tail between their legs. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable backing either side, regardless if I thought there were a lot of inconsistencies and co-incidences, until I have had the opportunity to look at all the evidence and heard what Lim had to say when questions were posed to him about what happened. It's a very sensitive subject that shall unravel itself over the next few days.
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There is such a split in opinion here. Both sides are extremely passionate about their belief of what transpired and come the "show down" in a few days time, there will be a group of members who will have to eat a large slice of humble pie and walk away with their tail between their legs. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable backing either side, regardless if I thought there were a lot of inconsistencies and co-incidences, until I have had the opportunity to look at all the evidence and heard what Lim had to say when questions were posed to him about what happened. It's a very sensitive subject that shall unravel itself over the next few days.
I am not taking sides at all. I am simply arguing the point that one cannot categorically state that somebody is guilty of something when one has no evidence to back up one's accusations. People here are using an occasional coincidence, vague conversational comments between vlad1m1r and Limetless which they interpret to mean something that furthers their own agenda and the rapport that vlad1m1r and Limetless had built up as some sort of conclusive proof that they're both in this together to scam everyone or that Limetless and vlad1m1r were both LE. Whilst I cannot discount the possibility of that, just as I cannot discount the possibility that everybody else in the world is a brain eating alien that feeds whilst I am asleep, both scenarios aren't very plausible. Not impossible, of course, but implausible. There's NOTHING to suggest that Limetless is guilty of anything leveled at him in this thread. Innocent until proven guilty. How so many can deny someone THAT right on an underground drug forum is beyond me when it's the first thing anyone here would cry when apprehended by the law.
I am not 'backing Limetless up' here - I am defending an innocent person who is not currently in a position to defend themselves. He is also under no obligation to answer any questions posed to him about what happened as there is no evidence that he has done anything wrong.
As I stated before, I am no fan of Limetless. I find his comments and general demeanour quite immature. However, I will defend him here until there is actual conclusive proof that he has done something wrong, just as I would defend any of you if you were in the same boat.
There will be no 'humble pie' or 'tail between the legs' here, no matter which way this turns out. I'll stand tall knowing that I did what was right and what was just.
I defend a man who is currently incapable of defending himself, who is innocent until proven guilty, and for that I will make no apologies.
- grahamgreene
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There is such a split in opinion here. Both sides are extremely passionate about their belief of what transpired and come the "show down" in a few days time, there will be a group of members who will have to eat a large slice of humble pie and walk away with their tail between their legs. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable backing either side, regardless if I thought there were a lot of inconsistencies and co-incidences, until I have had the opportunity to look at all the evidence and heard what Lim had to say when questions were posed to him about what happened. It's a very sensitive subject that shall unravel itself over the next few days.
I am not taking sides at all. I am simply arguing the point that one cannot categorically state that somebody is guilty of something when one has no evidence to back up one's accusations. People here are using an occasional coincidence, vague conversational comments between vlad1m1r and Limetless which they interpret to mean something that furthers their own agenda and the rapport that vlad1m1r and Limetless had built up as some sort of conclusive proof that they're both in this together to scam everyone or that Limetless and vlad1m1r were both LE. Whilst I cannot discount the possibility of that, just as I cannot discount the possibility that everybody else in the world is a brain eating alien that feeds whilst I am asleep, both scenarios aren't very plausible. Not impossible, of course, but implausible. There's NOTHING to suggest that Limetless is guilty of anything leveled at him in this thread. Innocent until proven guilty. How so many can deny someone THAT right on an underground drug forum is beyond me when it's the first thing anyone here would cry when apprehended by the law.
I am not 'backing Limetless up' here - I am defending an innocent person who is not currently in a position to defend themselves. He is also under no obligation to answer any questions posed to him about what happened as there is no evidence that he has done anything wrong.
As I stated before, I am no fan of Limetless. I find his comments and general demeanour quite immature. However, I will defend him here until there is actual conclusive proof that he has done something wrong, just as I would defend any of you if you were in the same boat.
There will be no 'humble pie' or 'tail between the legs' here, no matter which way this turns out. I'll stand tall knowing that I did what was right and what was just.
I defend a man who is currently incapable of defending himself, who is innocent until proven guilty, and for that I will make no apologies.
- grahamgreene
First off grahamgreene, I was not referring to you in any way whatsoever when I wrote there were two parties of oposing views. I was commenting on the constant back and forth verbal sprays from one side consisting of SocialBombshell and punkst0ner V's BlarghRawr and kryptoz.
If you read what I wrote, I clearly state that I am not taking any sides to anything, especially since I am not aware of all the facts in the matter.
I personally wouldn't feel comfortable backing either side, regardless if I thought there were a lot of inconsistencies and co-incidences, until I have had the opportunity to look at all the evidence and heard what Lim had to say when questions were posed to him about what happened. It's a very sensitive subject that shall unravel itself over the next few days.
I was pointing out that there was some passionate views om the matter and as such, one of the two groups would have to back down and eat humble pie as they would be clearly proven wrong once the full story has been revealed. :-\
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First off grahamgreene, I was not referring to you in any way whatsoever when I wrote there were two parties of oposing views. I was commenting on the constant back and forth verbal sprays from one side consisting of SocialBombshell and punkst0ner V's BlarghRawr and kryptoz.
If you read what I wrote, I clearly state that I am not taking any sides to anything, especially since I am not aware of all the facts in the matter.
I personally wouldn't feel comfortable backing either side, regardless if I thought there were a lot of inconsistencies and co-incidences, until I have had the opportunity to look at all the evidence and heard what Lim had to say when questions were posed to him about what happened. It's a very sensitive subject that shall unravel itself over the next few days.
I was pointing out that there was some passionate views om the matter and as such, one of the two groups would have to back down and eat humble pie as they would be clearly proven wrong once the full story has been revealed. :-\
Perhaps I should have stated that I personally am not taking any sides. I just wanted to clarify my position in relation to my earlier posts!
I don't think there is going to be any 'full story' though; there is no story to tell in the first place. vlad1m1r scammed people because they were willing to FE on things such as investment schemes and Bitcoin exchanges. He likely got scammed by pirateat40 then decided to cut and run himself. Why Limetless is being dragged into it on the basis of very shaky coincidences - and it must be noted that this is happening in his absence - is completely beyond me. The story consists of the same beginning, middle and end as any other scam on Silk Road: people are willing to give their money to someone they don't know, and usually have no chance of finding, leaving the protection of the escrow system to do so.
Limetless has no obligation to answer any questions as he has not done anything wrong. He can simply brush off his detractors and tell them he doesn't have to validate himself with anyone, which he doesn't.
I understand the points you're making, but they're based on the premise of Limetless answering questions posed by those who are accusing him of being part of a scam, despite no evidence suggesting that that is the case.
Personally, if it were me, I'd tell them where to go, stick them on my ignore list and carry on with business as usual.
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Thanks for the apology kryptoz, shit happens!!! Hopefully I wont be as fucking thick next time!!!!
Nope I dont expect a bean back at all, I was pissed off but now I quite simply dont give a fucking toss anymore!!! ;)
Then I apologize, I simply get annoyed when people EXPECT to get money back from an anonymous black market. Every time you order, you should look at it as "okay, I may not get my order and loose my money". That way, not only are you not obliterated if you don't receive your order, but when you do happen to get it, you're filled with joy, and all the anxiety and stress goes away :).
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Grahamgreene, in all honesty, all the speculation and hypothesize bandied around throughout this forum cannot be 100% comprehensively disregarded until Lim can or can't fill in some blanks and clarifies from his point of view, his stance on all of this. Please understand that I too don't think attacking the credability of someone who is not here to defend themselves is not the right thing to do, however as you know, there has been some accusations made by forum members, in regards to Lim's recent activities which do raise some questions and weather you or I think it's right or wrong, if he was to stay silent on the matter, people's suspicions would grow on the subject and rumours would start . As the saying goes, mud sticks. If I was Lim, knew I was innocent and commited no wrong doing, I would take great pleasure in informing those making the accusations of how wrong they were and that he would expect them to apologize and move on.
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I do not think this question has been asked already.
FAO Vendors who used Vlad for bitcoins to cash-in-the-mail.
Where was your cash posted from? Was it defiantly Jersey? I know that's where bitcoin buyers sent cash to. I just wondered if the cash was coming from somewhere different.
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I do not think this question has been asked already.
FAO Vendors who used Vlad for bitcoins to cash-in-the-mail.
Where was your cash posted from? Was it defiantly Jersey? I know that's where bitcoin buyers sent cash to. I just wondered if the cash was coming from somewhere different.
Yes, It was jersey. FYI the channel islands are famous for washing money.
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Greetings all,
Just dropped in after following this thread. I like to read the forums and shop here but have not used Mr.Vlad's services. I am very sorry and send my condolences to all who got scammed. It seems scammers are all among us. However, I just wanted to add....Limetless struck me as suspicious from the very start, even when I saw his posts on other threads. He is clearly childish...His maturity is in the middle-school level. I would not trust him. His ego is too large. No one with the connects and knowledge that he claims to have would act in such a juvenile manner; these attributes come through establishment of trust and friendship with people who are successful...and these folks seldom associate with sissies like Lim....just how IRL I know those who have good nugs and those who have dirt...those with dirt act so goofy and retarded that no sensible, reliable person with the good will trust or associate with 'em. Those with the good have no need to brag or act childish: Lim's favorite activities. I say he's full 'o shit!
Good luck everyone.
Yow
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I do not think this question has been asked already.
FAO Vendors who used Vlad for bitcoins to cash-in-the-mail.
Where was your cash posted from? Was it defiantly Jersey? I know that's where bitcoin buyers sent cash to. I just wondered if the cash was coming from somewhere different.
Yes, It was jersey. FYI the channel islands are famous for washing money.
Thanks for that.
Back to Vlad/Nathan. Has anybody contacted the clearweb Vlad yet and actually spoke to him? If so, did he deny being the SR Vlad? Did it sound believable?
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Back to Vlad/Nathan. Has anybody contacted the clearweb Vlad yet and actually spoke to him? If so, did he deny being the SR Vlad? Did it sound believable?
All of his clearweb links have been removed, so he is uncontactable. His Tormail is bouncing messages, so that's gone forever too!
I personally believe it was him, for example, he lived in Jersey, which is well known here, and he posted on a Jersey forum. Also the unusual spelling of his ID vlad1m1r, is pretty unique, so is unlikely to be copied elsewhere!
I still feel pretty bad for everyone he scammed, no matter for how little or how much, it's terrible! He was one of the most trustworthy vendors/individuals here too, he was nothing but good to me! But this behaviour, is nothing short of unacceptable!
I still hope, he returns, to "sort" all of you out, but everyday that goes past, it's looking like a more and more distant prospect :(
To everyone that was scammed, my thoughts are with you, and I wish you all the best of luck finding him! :)
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I dot reckon vlad1m1r used a patsy, taking his screen name to use on here and bitcointalk, and also having this individual, the NJ who the cash was sent to receive and bank cash that was sent for him. Vlad talked the talk but he didnt walk the walk. Got in iver his head and shut up shop when he realised he couldn't repay drug dealers their investment. He didn't make a big score from this scam he lost probably some of his money and his investors and as a result cut his losses by keeping the last few weeks of cahs he was sent.
As for the Limetless accusations, i feel partly responsible as i think it was my post that first suggested a link, even though i expressly said (i think) that i had once thought Vlad was an alter ego for Limetless, a way for Linetless to sell BTC generated from drug sales for cash in the post, however in the same post I said this was unlikely due to the apparently lax security procedures employed by vlad, which were at odds with the impression given over by Limetless, i dont mean the gangster bravado, but underlying that is someone with a healthy respect for security and the fact that this game is illegal and operating here comes with the knowledge that the police are actively looking for us, whether they are aware of that or not.
Vlad1m1r didnt realise what he was involved in until he had already built a reputation around his account name so it was, in his opinion, to late or too hard to change it. The he started to talk the talk about money laundering and offering other services, nothing he offered ever got off the ground though. Even his invesetment scheme was just a pass through service to the pirate ponzi.
Can we let this thread die now unless someone can verify speaking to Vlad/Nathan and getting any realy information.
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Wow!!! This was an awesomely worded and fully in a nutshell story of the full Vlad1m1r scam thread, thats some awesome research UKMJ, I'd have to quit my full time job and make the silk road forums my new job to come out with a theory like that, you must be educated at Harvard I guess
I dot reckon vlad1m1r used a patsy, taking his screen name to use on here and bitcointalk, and also having this individual, the NJ who the cash was sent to receive and bank cash that was sent for him. Vlad talked the talk but he didnt walk the walk. Got in iver his head and shut up shop when he realised he couldn't repay drug dealers their investment. He didn't make a big score from this scam he lost probably some of his money and his investors and as a result cut his losses by keeping the last few weeks of cahs he was sent.
As for the Limetless accusations, i feel partly responsible as i think it was my post that first suggested a link, even though i expressly said (i think) that i had once thought Vlad was an alter ego for Limetless, a way for Linetless to sell BTC generated from drug sales for cash in the post, however in the same post I said this was unlikely due to the apparently lax security procedures employed by vlad, which were at odds with the impression given over by Limetless, i dont mean the gangster bravado, but underlying that is someone with a healthy respect for security and the fact that this game is illegal and operating here comes with the knowledge that the police are actively looking for us, whether they are aware of that or not.
Vlad1m1r didnt realise what he was involved in until he had already built a reputation around his account name so it was, in his opinion, to late or too hard to change it. The he started to talk the talk about money laundering and offering other services, nothing he offered ever got off the ground though. Even his invesetment scheme was just a pass through service to the pirate ponzi.
Can we let this thread die now unless someone can verify speaking to Vlad/Nathan and getting any realy information.
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Ben, I searched, looks like it's been deleted. But I specifically remember reading that thread.
Re: the Google search of his name, I cannot be fucked looking him up, too tired. But, whoever did, did his clearnet pages look like they were regularly updated, or just created as another 'red herring'?
Apparently someone has called his workplace... (read in another thread). Someone else wants to travel to the Jersey address!
and so can i so that is two of us. the fact it has been deleted is even weirder. seriously wtf is going on????? and where the fuck are the admins and old mods. You would think lim could at least log on once or twice from his "holiday" just to keep an eye on business.
I remember that thread too. In fact, I posted in it. If the entire thread is gone then that explains why my post count dropped a few days ago (I was watching because it was around the 666 mark at the time).
From memory a New Zealander was asking how to get BTC in New Zealand. Vlad entered the thread with his usual offer of cash for BTC and also discussed a business proposal for people to accept cash on his behalf for a commission. He insisted that any such people do so from a clean address on the grounds that such a person might receive a visit from LE.
I think I asked where else he offered his service other than the UK and EU. He said that with people in other countries acting as recipients for the cash he could do it anywhere.
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We don't need more moderators; in fact I would argue that we need less. I appreciate the current moderators volunteering their time (and would encourage all users to donate something to them, if they can) but we must ensure the security and freedom of this forum, not leave ourselves open to the possibility of censorship and oppression should the wrong person 'get the job' so to speak. We all have enough of that in the real world.
Hear, hear! Well said.
I agree that the forum must remain as open as possible. I know that pretty much everything I can offer can be done without moderator status and I'm happy to be out of the running for that task.
It's enough for me to be promoting crypto, libertarian principles and this new vendor thing I've got going. ;)
In fact, the coding I've been doing over the last few days (see my new vendor page for details) is why I'm only catching up on this thread now.
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There is such a split in opinion here. Both sides are extremely passionate about their belief of what transpired and come the "show down" in a few days time, there will be a group of members who will have to eat a large slice of humble pie and walk away with their tail between their legs. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable backing either side, regardless if I thought there were a lot of inconsistencies and co-incidences, until I have had the opportunity to look at all the evidence and heard what Lim had to say when questions were posed to him about what happened. It's a very sensitive subject that shall unravel itself over the next few days.
I am not taking sides at all. I am simply arguing the point that one cannot categorically state that somebody is guilty of something when one has no evidence to back up one's accusations. People here are using an occasional coincidence, vague conversational comments between vlad1m1r and Limetless which they interpret to mean something that furthers their own agenda and the rapport that vlad1m1r and Limetless had built up as some sort of conclusive proof that they're both in this together to scam everyone or that Limetless and vlad1m1r were both LE. Whilst I cannot discount the possibility of that, just as I cannot discount the possibility that everybody else in the world is a brain eating alien that feeds whilst I am asleep, both scenarios aren't very plausible. Not impossible, of course, but implausible. There's NOTHING to suggest that Limetless is guilty of anything leveled at him in this thread. Innocent until proven guilty. How so many can deny someone THAT right on an underground drug forum is beyond me when it's the first thing anyone here would cry when apprehended by the law.
I am not 'backing Limetless up' here - I am defending an innocent person who is not currently in a position to defend themselves. He is also under no obligation to answer any questions posed to him about what happened as there is no evidence that he has done anything wrong.
As I stated before, I am no fan of Limetless. I find his comments and general demeanour quite immature. However, I will defend him here until there is actual conclusive proof that he has done something wrong, just as I would defend any of you if you were in the same boat.
There will be no 'humble pie' or 'tail between the legs' here, no matter which way this turns out. I'll stand tall knowing that I did what was right and what was just.
I defend a man who is currently incapable of defending himself, who is innocent until proven guilty, and for that I will make no apologies.
- grahamgreene
just because people are innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean that its wrong to accuse someone of being guilty. How would you prove someone is guilty if no one makes accusations in the first place? I see nothing wrong with accusing someone of doing something.
Saying limitless has no obligation to defend himself is absolute nonsense. In court, if he just pleaded the 5th to everything he would most definitely lose the case and be considered "proven guilty" by the jury. So stop with this "innocent until proven guilty" bullshit please. He for sure has to explain his blatant abuse of moderator power. He has to explain why all the threads linking him to vlad were deleted. There are way too many questions for him to get away with not explaining himself.
No matter what the outcome is, i hope limitless loses his moderator privilege because of the clear admin abuse.
That reminds me: has anyone made a backup of this thread in case that limitless deletes it when he gets back from vacation?
IMO limitless is a childish fool. I don't think hes LE, hes just some dumb kid. The fact that someone like limitless can obtain moderator privs on this forum disgusts me. I think vlad got compromised and lim is scared that it could lead to him getting busted so hes deleted all the threads to cut all ties to vlad. I would consider Lim, and anyone who vlad knew personally to be compromised.
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It's kind of people to suggest I should become a moderator, but as discussed on other threads, my plan is to become a platypus instead.
For the poisoned spurs, right?
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"Got in over his head and shut up shop when he realised he couldn't repay drug dealers their investment."
If you are working as a banker/investor then decide to rip off drug dealers it will probably put you in a hole. My plug is MS-13 with strong connects with La eMe and is rather upset about the $12,000 Vlad took. Vlad, if you are reading this....I am not trying to scare you but I don't work in a friendly bank and work with money and play banker all day. I work with people who bleed people slowly just to send a message then they go home and sleep very well. This is just how the world is. Sad but true. Anonymity has its limits, its only a matter of resources.
DOC 8)
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ok, i've read through these ball aching 34 pages - can someone point out to me exactly why Lim is under any kind of suspicion? the only valid reason i can see is because he was bigging Vlad up, which every customer of Vlads did after a good transaction.
what have i missed? there must be more to it if so many people think he's done something so wrong?
As near as I can tell it is because Lim went on holiday sometime between when Vlad said he was sick and then did a runner. The rest of it is just a demonstration of why conspiracy theories always thrive.
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just because people are innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean that its wrong to accuse someone of being guilty. How would you prove someone is guilty if no one makes accusations in the first place? I see nothing wrong with accusing someone of doing something.
What the unutterable fuck?!
There's a big difference between questioning someone over an issue and levelling an accusation. Especially on the flimsiest of evidence.
A more sensible approach is to question and investigate and *then* move onto an accusation. Starting with the accusation tends to make people clam up and get defensive, which in some cases makes them appear more guilty than they may actually be.
For my part I then start questioning the motives of the accuser. Especially having seen the way skullduggerous fuckwits (not on SR) have used baseless accusations against others to achieve some plan of their own.
Saying limitless has no obligation to defend himself is absolute nonsense. In court, if he just pleaded the 5th to everything he would most definitely lose the case and be considered "proven guilty" by the jury. So stop with this "innocent until proven guilty" bullshit please. He for sure has to explain his blatant abuse of moderator power. He has to explain why all the threads linking him to vlad were deleted. There are way too many questions for him to get away with not explaining himself.
So there are or may be questions. Fine. There is not yet the basis for an accusation.
No matter what the outcome is, i hope limitless loses his moderator privilege because of the clear admin abuse.
Interesting you mention this. Looks like a motive for making accusations before questions are answered.
Will you feel the same way about Limetless' moderator status if it turns out he had nothing to do with the deletion of those threads? Or will you find another argument to justify demoting someone you clearly don't like?
That reminds me: has anyone made a backup of this thread in case that limitless deletes it when he gets back from vacation?
If you care that much, go ahead and do it. No one here is stopping you.
A more interesting question along that line would be: are all these discussions visible on the clearnet via the onion.to site? If so, are these discussions indexed by Google?
IMO limitless is a childish fool. I don't think hes LE, hes just some dumb kid. The fact that someone like limitless can obtain moderator privs on this forum disgusts me. I think vlad got compromised and lim is scared that it could lead to him getting busted so hes deleted all the threads to cut all ties to vlad. I would consider Lim, and anyone who vlad knew personally to be compromised.
Well, I can see how you've reached that theory. It's not the most ridiculous on this thread, but it's still not enough to level a definitive accusation. More evidence is required.
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A more interesting question along that line would be: are all these discussions visible on the clearnet via the onion.to site? If so, are these discussions indexed by Google?
And the answer is: Yes, they are.
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A more interesting question along that line would be: are all these discussions visible on the clearnet via the onion.to site? If so, are these discussions indexed by Google?
And the answer is: Yes, they are.
The biggest commercial data miner in the world. :)
There's all manner of entertainment there and we can all think of organisations that would want to use Google's data mining resources to help their own objectives.
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IMO limitless is a childish fool. I don't think hes LE, hes just some dumb kid. The fact that someone like limitless can obtain moderator privs on this forum disgusts me. I think vlad got compromised and lim is scared that it could lead to him getting busted so hes deleted all the threads to cut all ties to vlad. I would consider Lim, and anyone who vlad knew personally to be compromised.
Hit the nail on the head there! I'd like to add, deleting messages make you look even more suspicious and connected, it creates conspiracy especially on a forum of paranoid people (this is a drug related/black market forum after all!). Rightly so too! Not the smartest move, but hey, everyone to his own! :o
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So did anyone actually get anywhere with vlads details I remember last week someone had pretty much everything on him and was;
'going to make his life uncomfortable'
did anything come of this?
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So did anyone actually get anywhere with vlads details I remember last week someone had pretty much everything on him and was;
'going to make his life uncomfortable'
did anything come of this?
If people want to find him, the information is here to allow them to do so.
If anyone does go see him, I doubt they are going to post pics here for the worlds amusement. Want revenge? Get it yourself :)
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There is such a split in opinion here. Both sides are extremely passionate about their belief of what transpired and come the "show down" in a few days time, there will be a group of members who will have to eat a large slice of humble pie and walk away with their tail between their legs. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable backing either side, regardless if I thought there were a lot of inconsistencies and co-incidences, until I have had the opportunity to look at all the evidence and heard what Lim had to say when questions were posed to him about what happened. It's a very sensitive subject that shall unravel itself over the next few days.
I am not taking sides at all. I am simply arguing the point that one cannot categorically state that somebody is guilty of something when one has no evidence to back up one's accusations. People here are using an occasional coincidence, vague conversational comments between vlad1m1r and Limetless which they interpret to mean something that furthers their own agenda and the rapport that vlad1m1r and Limetless had built up as some sort of conclusive proof that they're both in this together to scam everyone or that Limetless and vlad1m1r were both LE. Whilst I cannot discount the possibility of that, just as I cannot discount the possibility that everybody else in the world is a brain eating alien that feeds whilst I am asleep, both scenarios aren't very plausible. Not impossible, of course, but implausible. There's NOTHING to suggest that Limetless is guilty of anything leveled at him in this thread. Innocent until proven guilty. How so many can deny someone THAT right on an underground drug forum is beyond me when it's the first thing anyone here would cry when apprehended by the law.
I am not 'backing Limetless up' here - I am defending an innocent person who is not currently in a position to defend themselves. He is also under no obligation to answer any questions posed to him about what happened as there is no evidence that he has done anything wrong.
As I stated before, I am no fan of Limetless. I find his comments and general demeanour quite immature. However, I will defend him here until there is actual conclusive proof that he has done something wrong, just as I would defend any of you if you were in the same boat.
There will be no 'humble pie' or 'tail between the legs' here, no matter which way this turns out. I'll stand tall knowing that I did what was right and what was just.
I defend a man who is currently incapable of defending himself, who is innocent until proven guilty, and for that I will make no apologies.
- grahamgreene
just because people are innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean that its wrong to accuse someone of being guilty. How would you prove someone is guilty if no one makes accusations in the first place? I see nothing wrong with accusing someone of doing something.
Saying limitless has no obligation to defend himself is absolute nonsense. In court, if he just pleaded the 5th to everything he would most definitely lose the case and be considered "proven guilty" by the jury. So stop with this "innocent until proven guilty" bullshit please. He for sure has to explain his blatant abuse of moderator power. He has to explain why all the threads linking him to vlad were deleted. There are way too many questions for him to get away with not explaining himself.
No matter what the outcome is, i hope limitless loses his moderator privilege because of the clear admin abuse.
That reminds me: has anyone made a backup of this thread in case that limitless deletes it when he gets back from vacation?
IMO limitless is a childish fool. I don't think hes LE, hes just some dumb kid. The fact that someone like limitless can obtain moderator privs on this forum disgusts me. I think vlad got compromised and lim is scared that it could lead to him getting busted so hes deleted all the threads to cut all ties to vlad. I would consider Lim, and anyone who vlad knew personally to be compromised.
A backup of the thread is essential. The information contained within is literally a goldmine :)
As for your last paragraph, I could not agree more.
**edit** neg karma incoming. But who even cares???
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Nathan Jordan
August 25, 2009 at 5:59 pm
It seems a little contradictory to me to join Facebook, post photographs, e-mail addresses and your phone number and then complain about your privacy being breached.
Joining Facebook was the worst mistake I ever made. People are faceless on there and you never know who you’re speaking too – even if you don’t say anything bad about your boss what if (s)he sees you drunk and mad with it in a photo on a week night? Or sees a pic of you on the beach the day you called in sick? etc. etc.
The answer is simple however, give people your e-mail and phone number and if they want to speak to you, they can, don’t use social networking sites!
NJ.
I feel sorry for Nathan Jordan. I don't think our vlad was that fucking stupid. I really don't.
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Nathan Jordan
August 25, 2009 at 5:59 pm
It seems a little contradictory to me to join Facebook, post photographs, e-mail addresses and your phone number and then complain about your privacy being breached.
Joining Facebook was the worst mistake I ever made. People are faceless on there and you never know who you’re speaking too – even if you don’t say anything bad about your boss what if (s)he sees you drunk and mad with it in a photo on a week night? Or sees a pic of you on the beach the day you called in sick? etc. etc.
The answer is simple however, give people your e-mail and phone number and if they want to speak to you, they can, don’t use social networking sites!
NJ.
I feel sorry for Nathan Jordan. I don't think our vlad was that fucking stupid. I really don't.
I beg to differ :)
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Just read the whole thread.. can't beleive vlad has turned out to be a scammer, what a cunt.
Limetless - not sure about this guy.. in all honesty I don't like him just because of the way he is and the way he portrays himself and I do believe that the majority of what he says is bullshit. We'll soon see when he returns.
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Just curious, did no one think to google his name at all? Ever? I mean, when I'm suspicious of someone, I usually try to ID them....maybe that's just me.
I didn't think of it, because he never said anything that I saw, at least, that really raised alarm bells with me.
I am certainly going to treat this as a lesson learned. I've always had the liberty to be slightly cavalier with people, because my ass is armour-plated -- I have very few worries about anyone coming after me. For starters, I don't screw people over, rip 'em off, or break the law. Despite that, though, I have tried to cover my ass thoroughly, and I believe I have succeeded. (If anyone wants to take a crack at me, please by my guest.)
Guru
Neither did I ("I didn't think of it, because he never said anything that I saw, at least, that really raised alarm bells with me."), I'm talking about the people who were a tad sketched out by him. I never had contact with him nor did I bother reading threads with him in them for the most part. I'm simply saying that if someone is suspicious of another forum member, why not take the time to do a little research?
Well, there would be no reason for someone to try and sniff your trail, you're not a dick :) lol. While I'm usually suspicious of everyone, I do trust some on here to an extent, and Guru you seem like a fine lad to me. If you want I can try later, but Guru is a very generic name, so in that sense you should be relatively safe from most people.
I think we're missing the point. Nobody should be 'trusted' no matter how trustworthy or reputable they seem. I don't care if they have 10,000 posts and are the most respected person here. Giving your trust to anybody is what weakens the system and potentially allows both LE and scammers to infiltrate SR.
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Just curious, did no one think to google his name at all? Ever? I mean, when I'm suspicious of someone, I usually try to ID them....maybe that's just me.
I didn't think of it, because he never said anything that I saw, at least, that really raised alarm bells with me.
I am certainly going to treat this as a lesson learned. I've always had the liberty to be slightly cavalier with people, because my ass is armour-plated -- I have very few worries about anyone coming after me. For starters, I don't screw people over, rip 'em off, or break the law. Despite that, though, I have tried to cover my ass thoroughly, and I believe I have succeeded. (If anyone wants to take a crack at me, please by my guest.)
Guru
Neither did I ("I didn't think of it, because he never said anything that I saw, at least, that really raised alarm bells with me."), I'm talking about the people who were a tad sketched out by him. I never had contact with him nor did I bother reading threads with him in them for the most part. I'm simply saying that if someone is suspicious of another forum member, why not take the time to do a little research?
Well, there would be no reason for someone to try and sniff your trail, you're not a dick :) lol. While I'm usually suspicious of everyone, I do trust some on here to an extent, and Guru you seem like a fine lad to me. If you want I can try later, but Guru is a very generic name, so in that sense you should be relatively safe from most people.
I think we're missing the point. Nobody should be 'trusted' no matter how trustworthy or reputable they seem. I don't care if they have 10,000 posts and are the most respected person here. Giving your trust to anybody is what weakens the system and potentially allows both LE and scammers to infiltrate SR.
That's why I always tell people not to trust my advice based solely on my reputation, but to think over it themselves and decide if it really seems secure. In addition, whenever I see something that could be of interest to LE I immediately warn the vendor about what and why, plus I warn anyone who starts to tell me potentially personally identifiable information that they really have no way to be sure I'm not LE and for that reason should not be saying such things.
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A friend of mine who called Nathan at his work asking for him a while ago has just been called by the police, saying they are now involved in a criminal investigation. shit just got heavy
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A friend of mine who called Nathan at his work asking for him a while ago has just been called by the police, saying they are now involved in a criminal investigation. shit just got heavy
Is your friend in the UK?
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A friend of mine who called Nathan at his work asking for him a while ago has just been called by the police, saying they are now involved in a criminal investigation. shit just got heavy
Please tell us some more, was the clearweb vlad a fall guy? what do the police want to question your mate for? had he posted in this thread?
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Yes, in the UK. OK well Let's say A, used B's phone to call the bank and ask to talk to Nathan 'for personal reasons'. He was not in that afternoon. Police called B asking to talk to the name A gave to the bank (when asked). They took B's details, said he was involved in a criminal investigation and asked for A's number, which he gave them incorrectly. A has since told B not to divulge any information at all, especially not his number, but nevertheless is kakking it a bit. His plan should the pigs get through to him is to repeatedly state 'no comment'. I should like to hear from 4evayoung049 (who seems to have deleted all his posts now?) and others who had his details and did / were going to call him.
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there are hundreds of fucking phone boxes through out the uk, why would anyone be as silly as to phone from a personal number? ever heard of pay as you go sim cards? Bloody amateurs!
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To me this is proof that nathan is not vlad, no? Seems like the most likely way that that would be possible is that nathan started getting contacted by a bunch of random motherfuckers who want their money back and after all the threats etc decided to call the cops. Either that or LE is involved in a more direct way.
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Either that or Nathan was already under police investigation(hence him not being at work and Vlad going AWOL) and his work passed on the details of those trying to contact him.
Also have people not already confirmed he was using his home address to receive payments?
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hmm... true. It seems unlikely that someone could get around that. I guess nathan really is fucked then eh?
Honestly I just have so much trouble coming to terms with the fact that the guy was just that retarded. I mean holy shit how stupid can you be. It almost impossible that you could not realize that your facebook and username are the same etc. I mean vlad clearly wasn't retarded right?
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Tin foil hat alert.....
Another possibility is that Holyfuckisuck and Herpaderp (both low post count) are "Nathan/Vlad", and trying to make it appear that contacting "Nathan" will get you into hot water...
If any of you were in a shit storm, wouldn't you try to divert attention away from yourself by claiming anyone contacting this "Nathan" character got into trouble?
Also, another possibility (like I claimed earlier in this thread) is that this Nathan person is simply a honeypot character...
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there are hundreds of fucking phone boxes through out the uk, why would anyone be as silly as to phone from a personal number? ever heard of pay as you go sim cards? Bloody amateurs!
Giant, you are so right. There are some real dumb fucks on this site sometimes.
My 2p is, Nathan is Vlad1m1r (just the feeling I get from his youTube vids and posts here and on the clearnet). Vlad didn't intend to scam anyone, but he fucked up big time with his security, and now the heat is on him! Anyone who gave Vlad anything that can connect back to you, just hunker down and try to chill (this is the UK after all and we haven't killed anyone here). The only person who is truly fucked if the heat is on, is Vlad.
EDIT: What I mean by that is, no-one should be looking at a lot of bird from this.
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Yes, in the UK. OK well Let's say A, used B's phone to call the bank and ask to talk to Nathan 'for personal reasons'. He was not in that afternoon. Police called B asking to talk to the name A gave to the bank (when asked). They took B's details, said he was involved in a criminal investigation and asked for A's number, which he gave them incorrectly. A has since told B not to divulge any information at all, especially not his number, but nevertheless is kakking it a bit. His plan should the pigs get through to him is to repeatedly state 'no comment'. I should like to hear from 4evayoung049 (who seems to have deleted all his posts now?) and others who had his details and did / were going to call him.
Oh my fucking God.
I thought everybody in our little world knew how important a fully anonymous phone is.
1). unregistered sim card, bought for cash. Poundland is good for these
2) Top-up voucher, bought for cash from a news agents with no cctv.
3) The mobile phone itself must also be anonymous as the network can read the IMEI number. On older phones you can easily change the IMEI number to a number of your choice. Newer phones should be bought for cash, preferably from a second hand shop or market stall, again without CCTV.
4). I recommend old nokias or samsungs as anonymous phones, due to them lacking modern spysoftware and GPS, and the ease of IMEI change.
5). Power off your anonymous phone when not in use and remove the battery.
6). Change the sim card every couple of months. Never top up the same sim card more than twice.
Hope this helps some people..... Stalin would have loved the modern mobile phone, for keeping tabs on his citizens!!!!!
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Yes, in the UK. OK well Let's say A, used B's phone to call the bank and ask to talk to Nathan 'for personal reasons'. He was not in that afternoon. Police called B asking to talk to the name A gave to the bank (when asked). They took B's details, said he was involved in a criminal investigation and asked for A's number, which he gave them incorrectly. A has since told B not to divulge any information at all, especially not his number, but nevertheless is kakking it a bit. His plan should the pigs get through to him is to repeatedly state 'no comment'. I should like to hear from 4evayoung049 (who seems to have deleted all his posts now?) and others who had his details and did / were going to call him.
Mr. A and Mr. B are stupid! Would like more information because this sounds to stupid to be real.
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I haven't read all 37 pages of this thread, but does anyone have a rough guesstimate of how much he has scammed people for? :-\
Laundering money from your own address, using your clearnet nom de plume, the guy came across as a lot more intelligent than that. ::)
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I think herpaderp and the other poster are Vlad too.
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hmm... true. It seems unlikely that someone could get around that. I guess nathan really is fucked then eh?
Honestly I just have so much trouble coming to terms with the fact that the guy was just that retarded. I mean holy shit how stupid can you be. It almost impossible that you could not realize that your facebook and username are the same etc. I mean vlad clearly wasn't retarded right?
Who are you?
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Just read the whole thread.. can't beleive vlad has turned out to be a scammer, what a cunt.
Limetless - not sure about this guy.. in all honesty I don't like him just because of the way he is and the way he portrays himself and I do believe that the majority of what he says is bullshit. We'll soon see when he returns.
Yeah we will fucking see wont we kidda, back from my holiday now. Got anything you'd like to say?
Comparing me to Vlad is like comparing a crayon to a fucking fountain pen. We don't even offer the same fucking service perhaps get your facts straight before you sound off you twunt. Did get a nice tan by the way, thanks for asking.
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Lim you're back !!
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Lim you're back !!
I am mate yes! I'm back, and I'm ready to carry on not robbing people or being suspected of being another vendor who doesn't provide the same services I do or be police or be well any one of the numerous jars of toss seemed to think it was funny to chuck around as soon as I went and sat on a beach in Italy for a few days. Funny how a lot of them talk like one another and some of them I've had cross words with before. Detectivism or Opportunism is the question of the day and I shall scratch my beard over that while I go and have a bath. Although I suspect it may be the latter rather than the former...... ::)
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I haven't read all 37 pages of this thread, but does anyone have a rough guesstimate of how much he has scammed people for? :-\
Ask Limetless :)
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AHAHAHA this is fucking priceless! limitless I'm gonna tell you how to get out of this one and I'm gonna tell you right here in the open. People here so dumb they won't even notice.
It's clear that you and vladimir know each other so just tell everyone after this you have cut all ties with him. that simple and it just looks like you lost a friend and makes you look like a victim.
Bam you still win. you can have your cake and eat it too. Make sure you tell them you're not releasing any info on him because "thats not right" people eat that moral high ground shit up around here.
Your off free and clear no questions asked. You know I'm right, I'm always right.
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Yeah was great mate, just had a chiller at the side of a beach or a pool most days.
Nice fake account their up above, grow some balls.
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Yeah we will fucking see wont we kidda, back from my holiday now. Got anything you'd like to say?
Comparing me to Vlad is like comparing a crayon to a fucking fountain pen. We don't even offer the same fucking service perhaps get your facts straight before you sound off you twunt. Did get a nice tan by the way, thanks for asking.
Welcome back, hope you had a good rest.
Guru
Ditto, we're pleased to see the rumor bird has flown into a wall. At any rate you got to snack on real pizza and maybe somebody will eventually make a screenplay for a movie on the Vlad MIA/Limet Holiday saga and call it The Italian Connection or something. It should be a black and white noir detective story with much evidence of Fedora hats and a monotonous, even repetitive soundtrack. Think Philip Glass influencing the Sin City score and you have the idea.
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Cheers, it's, well it was nice to be back. I even bought a present which my new shit and I was gunna do free samples again but fuck that if I'm just getting shit for layin on a beach for a few days. Absolute fucking bullshit.
Nice to see you though pine.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand.............Limetless is back
Here
We
GO
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Just read the whole thread.. can't beleive vlad has turned out to be a scammer, what a cunt.
Limetless - not sure about this guy.. in all honesty I don't like him just because of the way he is and the way he portrays himself and I do believe that the majority of what he says is bullshit. We'll soon see when he returns.
Yeah we will fucking see wont we kidda, back from my holiday now. Got anything you'd like to say?
Comparing me to Vlad is like comparing a crayon to a fucking fountain pen. We don't even offer the same fucking service perhaps get your facts straight before you sound off you twunt. Did get a nice tan by the way, thanks for asking.
LOL. Sorry I'll refer to you as fountain pen from now on, wouldn't want to "take a walk with gangster number 1"
Didn't ask if you got a nice tan, but well done :).
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Oh snap! You shut that shit down. Where did everyone go?
"Comparing me to Vlad is like comparing a crayon to a fucking fountain pen."
Priceless.
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Yes, in the UK. OK well Let's say A, used B's phone to call the bank and ask to talk to Nathan 'for personal reasons'. He was not in that afternoon. Police called B asking to talk to the name A gave to the bank (when asked). They took B's details, said he was involved in a criminal investigation and asked for A's number, which he gave them incorrectly. A has since told B not to divulge any information at all, especially not his number, but nevertheless is kakking it a bit. His plan should the pigs get through to him is to repeatedly state 'no comment'. I should like to hear from 4evayoung049 (who seems to have deleted all his posts now?) and others who had his details and did / were going to call him.
I know people who phoned from the U.K
I don't live in the U.K so I didn't phone personally.
From what I can gather, quite a number of people called.
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Oh snap! You shut that shit down. Where did everyone go?
"Comparing me to Vlad is like comparing a crayon to a fucking fountain pen."
Priceless.
Yeah was pretty happy with that line.
I mean fuckin ell I even pulled him up on some of the shit he was doing with the Belize bank account thing, that was fucking retarded.
Also what is all this about people phoning someone called Nathan or something? Explain because I'm too hung over to read the thread and I got Desperate Housewives on.
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Lim you're back !!
Detectivism or Opportunism is the question of the day and I shall scratch my beard over that while I go and have a bath.
This mental vision made me laugh.
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I was the first to find Nathan's employer and the first to contact them. I called them completely anonymously (seriously, who uses personal numbers for shit like this?), asked for Nathan Jordan on behalf of a certain company and was transferred immediately as he was currently in the office. I hung up before the transfer complete and did not speak to Nathan - my goal was simply to confirm his place of employment and no suspicion was raised from my call, as I gave the name of a relevant small professional company and no personal name - (to those phoning him at work for "personal reasons" - really? Wtf? Obviously unprofessional and bound to throw up some red flags).
Later, when others phoned, I believe they were told that he wasn't in/had a sick day/various excuses. But I can confirm that I did get transferred through to him several weeks ago and successfully confirmed that it is his genuine place of employment.
The Nathan we found on clearnet IS vlad1m1r. Any outright denials of this information should be treated very suspiciously IMO. (Hi, vlad!)
Maybe LE are involved now but they weren't when the original call was made (or at least, if they were, Nathan wasn't aware of it and was carrying on full time employment as usual).
I have not heard anything from the police, but the police have no way of identifying or contacting me anyway... besides, I find it highly unlikely that the receptionist would have taken note of my initial call because it was not suspicious in nature like some dumbfucks phoning for "personal reasons"...
I see Limetless is back, FWIW I'm still suspicious. I'm not one of the "omgz Limetless is Vlad, blah blah blah" rumour-mongers, because like I pointed out in earlier posts, I don't think that's the case. I just think they have a closer relationship than many people think and that the connection between them is sketchy. Limetless's initial response to this saga certainly hasn't quelled any doubts I have.
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I see Limetless is back, FWIW I'm still suspicious. I'm not one of the "omgz Limetless is Vlad, blah blah blah" rumour-mongers, because like I pointed out in earlier posts, I don't think that's the case. I just think they have a closer relationship than many people think and that the connection between them is sketchy. Limetless's initial response to this saga certainly hasn't quelled any doubts I have.
That's certainly the case. I think you have hit the nail of the head.
Well done.
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Lol and I could not give less of a fuck what you think. :)
What exactly would you like me to respond with Psykhe? "No I'm not Vlad and I don't have anything to do with him pinky promise" don't be a fucking fool. I've said all I have to say on the subject or perhaps you'd like to see some of my holiday snaps? Maybe I should have sent you a post card? Or maybe you can snort a line of coke off my dick and then suck it afterwards.
The ridiculous thing about this is that you fucking morons can't distinguish the difference between someone who works in a bank to someone who works in corp/tax-strat which is two completely different fields. It's like watching monkeys trying to read Shakespeare and then trying to understand it by throwing their own shit at each other. Idiots.
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I was the first to find Nathan's employer and the first to contact them. I called them completely anonymously (seriously, who uses personal numbers for shit like this?), asked for Nathan Jordan on behalf of a certain company and was transferred immediately as he was currently in the office. I hung up before the transfer complete and did not speak to Nathan - my goal was simply to confirm his place of employment and no suspicion was raised from my call, as I gave the name of a relevant small professional company and no personal name - (to those phoning him at work for "personal reasons" - really? Wtf? Obviously unprofessional and bound to throw up some red flags).
Later, when others phoned, I believe they were told that he wasn't in/had a sick day/various excuses. But I can confirm that I did get transferred through to him several weeks ago and successfully confirmed that it is his genuine place of employment.
The Nathan we found on clearnet IS vlad1m1r. Any outright denials of this information should be treated very suspiciously IMO. (Hi, vlad!)
Maybe LE are involved now but they weren't when the original call was made (or at least, if they were, Nathan wasn't aware of it and was carrying on full time employment as usual).
I have not heard anything from the police, but the police have no way of identifying or contacting me anyway... besides, I find it highly unlikely that the receptionist would have taken note of my initial call because it was not suspicious in nature like some dumbfucks phoning for "personal reasons"...
I see Limetless is back, FWIW I'm still suspicious. I'm not one of the "omgz Limetless is Vlad, blah blah blah" rumour-mongers, because like I pointed out in earlier posts, I don't think that's the case. I just think they have a closer relationship than many people think and that the connection between them is sketchy. Limetless's initial response to this saga certainly hasn't quelled any doubts I have.
agreeing with this guy
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Lol and I could not give less of a fuck what you think. :)
What exactly would you like me to respond with Psykhe? "No I'm not Vlad and I don't have anything to do with him pinky promise" don't be a fucking fool. I've said all I have to say on the subject or perhaps you'd like to see some of my holiday snaps? Maybe I should have sent you a post card? Or maybe you can snort a line of coke off my dick and then suck it afterwards.
The ridiculous thing about this is that you fucking morons can't distinguish the difference between someone who works in a bank to someone who works in corp/tax-strat which is two completely different fields. It's like watching monkeys trying to read Shakespeare and then trying to understand it by throwing their own shit at each other. Idiots.
with theamount of time you spend on here i highly doubt you work limetless
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Lol and I could not give less of a fuck what you think. :)
What exactly would you like me to respond with Psykhe? "No I'm not Vlad and I don't have anything to do with him pinky promise" don't be a fucking fool. I've said all I have to say on the subject or perhaps you'd like to see some of my holiday snaps? Maybe I should have sent you a post card? Or maybe you can snort a line of coke off my dick and then suck it afterwards.
The ridiculous thing about this is that you fucking morons can't distinguish the difference between someone who works in a bank to someone who works in corp/tax-strat which is two completely different fields. It's like watching monkeys trying to read Shakespeare and then trying to understand it by throwing their own shit at each other. Idiots.
with theamount of time you spend on here i highly doubt you work limetless
Yeah I work FROM HOME dick'ed and what that has to do with you I'm not sure. I have said before I work from here and do all my work from a laptop anyway. What the fuck has that to do with any of you? Who the fuck are you to pry into what I do outside of here?
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Lol and I could not give less of a fuck what you think. :)
What exactly would you like me to respond with Psykhe? "No I'm not Vlad and I don't have anything to do with him pinky promise" don't be a fucking fool. I've said all I have to say on the subject or perhaps you'd like to see some of my holiday snaps? Maybe I should have sent you a post card? Or maybe you can snort a line of coke off my dick and then suck it afterwards.
The ridiculous thing about this is that you fucking morons can't distinguish the difference between someone who works in a bank to someone who works in corp/tax-strat which is two completely different fields. It's like watching monkeys trying to read Shakespeare and then trying to understand it by throwing their own shit at each other. Idiots.
with theamount of time you spend on here i highly doubt you work limetless
Yeah I work FROM HOME dick'ed and what that has to do with you I'm not sure. I have said before I work from here and do all my work from a laptop anyway. What the fuck has that to do with any of you? Who the fuck are you to pry into what I do outside of here?
bit defensive there are we mate? maybe you should lay off the crack ;)
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Lol and I could not give less of a fuck what you think. :)
What exactly would you like me to respond with Psykhe? "No I'm not Vlad and I don't have anything to do with him pinky promise" don't be a fucking fool. I've said all I have to say on the subject or perhaps you'd like to see some of my holiday snaps? Maybe I should have sent you a post card? Or maybe you can snort a line of coke off my dick and then suck it afterwards.
The ridiculous thing about this is that you fucking morons can't distinguish the difference between someone who works in a bank to someone who works in corp/tax-strat which is two completely different fields. It's like watching monkeys trying to read Shakespeare and then trying to understand it by throwing their own shit at each other. Idiots.
with theamount of time you spend on here i highly doubt you work limetless
Yeah I work FROM HOME dick'ed and what that has to do with you I'm not sure. I have said before I work from here and do all my work from a laptop anyway. What the fuck has that to do with any of you? Who the fuck are you to pry into what I do outside of here?
bit defensive there are we mate? maybe you should lay off the crack ;)
No I'm just not having people delve into my life like it's any of their fucking business. Maybe so if I actually smoked crack, maybe your mother should have snapped your neck or drowned you at birth and done the world a favour, shit just doesn't happen how we want it though does it?
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fact is limetless backed vlad like no other. Say what you will but anyone who thinks for themselves is going to question what was really going on, whether it's true or not.
Do what I did. Add him to your ignore list, it's like he doesn't even exist.
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fact is limetless backed vlad like no other. Say what you will but anyone who thinks for themselves is going to question what was really going on, whether it's true or not.
Do what I did. Add him to your ignore list, it's like he doesn't even exist.
Where the hell is this ignore list of which you speak?? Such a feature will improve my forum experience immensely.
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Profile>Modify Profile>Buddies/Ignore list>add name
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Profile>Modify Profile>Buddies/Ignore list>add name
Thanks.
Does it take some time to update or something because I can still see his posts.
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fact is limetless backed vlad like no other. Say what you will but anyone who thinks for themselves is going to question what was really going on, whether it's true or not.
Do what I did. Add him to your ignore list, it's like he doesn't even exist.
Sorry, that's a little weird sounding. Let me try to reword what you just said...
"Anyone who thinks for themselves is going to find things suspicious, regardless of whether things are suspicious or not."
... No, no... I don't think that works, spacecase. I don't think it works at all.
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fact is limetless backed vlad like no other. Say what you will but anyone who thinks for themselves is going to question what was really going on, whether it's true or not.
Do what I did. Add him to your ignore list, it's like he doesn't even exist.
Sorry, that's a little weird sounding. Let me try to reword what you just said...
"Anyone who thinks for themselves is going to find things suspicious, regardless of whether things are suspicious or not."
... No, no... I don't think that works, spacecase. I don't think it works at all.
Things are suspicious though aren't they.
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fact is limetless backed vlad like no other. Say what you will but anyone who thinks for themselves is going to question what was really going on, whether it's true or not.
Do what I did. Add him to your ignore list, it's like he doesn't even exist.
Sorry, that's a little weird sounding. Let me try to reword what you just said...
"Anyone who thinks for themselves is going to find things suspicious, regardless of whether things are suspicious or not."
... No, no... I don't think that works, spacecase. I don't think it works at all.
Look, I understand you have a case of stockholm syndrome right now but I don't have time to argue with moddickriders atm, good try though. Maybe next time little man.
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fact is limetless backed vlad like no other. Say what you will but anyone who thinks for themselves is going to question what was really going on, whether it's true or not.
Do what I did. Add him to your ignore list, it's like he doesn't even exist.
Sorry, that's a little weird sounding. Let me try to reword what you just said...
"Anyone who thinks for themselves is going to find things suspicious, regardless of whether things are suspicious or not."
... No, no... I don't think that works, spacecase. I don't think it works at all.
Look, I understand you have a case of stockholm syndrome right now but I don't have time to argue with moddickriders atm, good try though. Maybe next time little man.
I'm looking for an actual, proper, clarification of what you said. Not another pile of unwarranted douchebaggery.
And what you SAID is thus:
Limetless backed Vlad.
Anyone who thinks for themselves is going to question what was really going on.
Even if it isn't true.
Is my interpretation wrong? Would you like to expand upon it yourself in a way that makes equal sense and doesn't result in "Question everything and believe the lies"? I would like if you'd try, at least.
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Limetless i was expecting the classic "you should have been swallowed line" its a much funnier line.|
Limetless seems to be on alot of peoples ignore lists all of a sudden, just like there seems to be just as many people who dislike him as he has fans which you wouldnt have thought before he had gone on holiday. Funny because normally its a case of the vocal the bad being alot more vocal then the good.
anyway spacecase = BossHogg with braincells proving BossHogg = Troll.........and a damn good one at that
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Has limetless provided any information on why he was backing/promoting/vouching for vlad? If not, has limetless contested the accusation despite forum quotes of his actions?
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Bencousins you forget the people who don't give 2 shits about the whole situation ;) lol.
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I wasn't trying to be funny. :)
I "back" as you put it anyone who is doing a good job or I buy from at the time. If you'd like a list that'd be Dutchaanbod, Mitanox C63AMG, SuperTrips, Ivory, Reich, Sunshine, Coinbox and even that HiddenLocustBro before he turned into a tosser. If they stop doing a good job I stop recommending them. And sorry Ting who do you think you are "contested" bollocks. You think you are putting me on trial? Fuck off kiddo.
I was on holiday, now I'm back and I couldn't give 1, 2 or even 3 flying fucks what you think. That my lovelies is all I have to say on the situation.
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Whoa wtf did I miss in this thread.
Limetless with the amount of LE on the board do you really think committing such a public act of bitch slapping is advisable ?
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Whoa wtf did I miss in this thread.
Limetless with the amount of LE on the board do you really think committing such a public act of bitch slapping is advisable ?
Though I'm far from Limetless' biggest fan, I'll reiterate what I posted earlier in this thread (note: this isn't directed at you Tunbear):
Limetless is under no obligation to answer any questions from anybody as he has so far done absolutely nothing to deserve the suspicion and vitriol being directed at him by his detractors. I defended him in his absence as there was no evidence to suggest any wrongdoing on his part. I will continue to defend him now until I can be shown evidence or proof of him acting an any way to harm this community, of which there has been none so far.
Innocent, until proven guilty. That is the basis of justice, natural or otherwise. Without proof, everything is pure conjecture, and as such, making a statement which paints Limetless as a scammer or as a less than reputable member of this community is both unjust and slanderous in the extreme.
He is more than entitled to be angry that people have been damaging his credibility and potentially harming his reputation as a legitimate vendor here, and whilst I do not agree with the manner in which he is reacting to comments, given the nature of this community he is completely free to do no matter what any of us think. I'd be justifiably angry if I were in his shoes, as would all of those who are 'calling him out' with no evidence to back up their accusations.
I referred to it before as a witch-hunt, and it would seem that his detractors are still out to burn him at the stake. This community is based around principles of sovereignty and natural justice. Whilst all are free to speak their minds without fear of reprisal, consider the potential consequences of your words before you let them loose.
To all of you who are still claiming Limetless is a scammer despite no proof to back up your claims, or are still claiming that he's vlad1m1r or that the two were in bed together masterminding a veritably amateurish scam to rob Silk Road members of a relatively small amount of Bitcoin; present your evidence for the community. Put together a coherent, fact based argument rather than resorting to childish insults and mob-mentality accusations.
Perhaps then the community will take your words seriously; until that time, by accusing an innocent of wrongdoing and calling for his head you are actively damaging this community and all that it stands for.
- grahamgreene
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Bencousins you forget the people who don't give 2 shits about the whole situation ;) lol.
me included
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Coming home from a holiday to read all this shit in a place where you are respected and trusted would obviously piss you off, your better off ignoring it and enjoying the fresh holiday memories you have mate, fook em!
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Coming home from a holiday to read all this shit in a place where you are respected and trusted would obviously piss you off, your better off ignoring it and enjoying the fresh holiday memories you have mate, fook em!
Im afraid there's alot more to it than that TNY, saying Limetless is well respected is not quite correct, people have a love hate relationship with him, about 10 people love him and the rest hate him.
Even if Limetless is innocent in this whole shitfest its very obvious that the way he has been treating the community with his smug approach and overall arrogance is one of the main reasons he has been attacked, noone would have given half a shit if it were someone other than Limetless involved, not to this extent anyway.
Vladamir was probably hit by the Pirate ponzi scheme that happened a while back, i wouldn't be surprised if Limetless was hit by the same ponzi and took a week or so off to get his shit back up and running, this is an anon marketplace with no proof for anything but a guy with 9k posts in a small amount of time isnt the kind of person i picture sunbathing on the beach.
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Actions speak the loudest gents
"is both unjust and slanderous in the extreme"
actually anything goes here. and it's to all be expected. can you imagine the honepot becoming over run by honies?
"He is more than entitled to be angry"
Or could care less and can continue to create the actions that give them the desired result. Or keep trying until then :)
I think this place is a perfect joke to play on oneself. Someone like lim enjoys this place too much to scam?
i guess if one (not saying you are lim) is of a certain level of narcissm then having multiple identities and accounts and perhaps being even a BAD GUY would be fun! but alas...
at one point... perhaps.... we all feel... as if our life is just a charade. a parading of ego strutting it's strutt. until it becomes no longer relevant to ones own experience.
and seeing all others expression as pure magnificence.
okay... i won't fuck this thread all to fuck
bless
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Coming home from a holiday to read all this shit in a place where you are respected and trusted would obviously piss you off, your better off ignoring it and enjoying the fresh holiday memories you have mate, fook em!
Truesay, which is exactly what I shall be doing from now on. :)
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Limeteless, you doth protest too much. You're very suspicious. Every other word you type is 'fuck'. That reveals your mental age as 10-15 years old. You are probably scamming again and puling your old tricks. Leave us in peace.
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Limeteless, you doth protest too much. You're very suspicious. Every other word you type is 'fuck'. That reveals your mental age as 10-15 years old. You are probably scamming again and puling your old tricks. Leave us in peace.
....Or maybe he just doesn't hide behind an online persona. He acts exactly like i do IRL, but I can't take that tone, as much as I want to, on here, because it could harm my sales. He has the luxury of doing so well that he can say and act however he damn well pleases and it not harm his business.
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Limeteless, you doth protest too much. You're very suspicious. Every other word you type is 'fuck'. That reveals your mental age as 10-15 years old. You are probably scamming again and puling your old tricks. Leave us in peace.
....Or maybe he just doesn't hide behind an online persona. He acts exactly like i do IRL, but I can't take that tone, as much as I want to, on here, because it could harm my sales. He has the luxury of doing so well that he can say and act however he damn well pleases and it not harm his business.
50 points for the buller my friend! :)
And I don't "protest too much" at all, I just don't give a fuck about going toe-to-toe with any mug who wants to slander me on here. And no kid, my mental age is far higher than that, otherwise I wouldn't be able to run a successful business on here and wipe the arses of all the people on here when shit hits the fan. Shame you like to mug yourselves off by doing all this sort of thing because your bored with your own lives. Like I said, learn to masturbate or maybe even get laid.
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people who say doth protest too much are weirdos..